The Truth Behind Church Crisis and Police Response

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Rev Glenn Germany: But at the

same token, the police force that

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actually the, the state troopers

are the ones who had jurisdiction.

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Now they're 22 miles away and we

call at like one oh six and they

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don't get dispatched till one 11.

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They should have already been

here in that time period.

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And then they come in 22 miles away.

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So only one officer came, and

then even 10 minutes after that,

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the other one come about 1 31.

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So.

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We were holding the guy down from

105 till they get outside at 131.

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By the time they got in

here, it was even more time.

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Tony Tidbit: We'll discuss race and how it

plays a factor and how we didn't even talk

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about this topic because we were afraid.

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Executive Perspective.

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Tony Tidbit: Welcome to a Black Executive

Perspective podcast, a safe space where

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we discuss all matters related to race,

especially race in corporate America.

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I'm your host, Tony

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Tidbit.

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Chris P. Reed: And I'm

your co host, Chris P.

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Reed.

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Tony Tidbit: Thanks, Chris.

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Glad you're here, my brother.

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And so today.

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We're going to explore the chilling

incident at Jesus Dwelling Place Church

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in North Braddock, Pennsylvania, where a

gunman, believe it or not, failed attempt

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to shoot the pastor during service was

averted by a quick thinking church member.

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Despite the gun malfunctioning and

the immediate intervention by the

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church members, The delayed police

response and absence of an ambulance

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spotlights urgent questions about

emergency services in the community.

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Joining us today, Rev.

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Glenn Germany, will discuss the

details of this near tragic day, the

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commendable bravery displayed by their

church members, and what it means for

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public safety and divine intervention.

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Stay tuned.

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Pastor Glenn Germany, welcome to a

Black Executive Perspective, my brother.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Tony.

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I appreciate you and Chris

having me on your show today.

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Tony Tidbit: Buddy, number one,

thank God that you're here.

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Okay, because I can imagine we're

going to dive into it, but we're

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just blessed that you're here.

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You're looking good.

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And you know, you're going to

share exactly what happened.

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So look, are you ready to

talk about it, my brother?

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Yeah.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, I am.

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I'm ready.

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All right.

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Tony Tidbit: Let's talk about it.

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Chris P. Reed: So I know that, you

know, Tony said near tragic, but I

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consider it to be a tragic day because

of the residue of what happened.

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But before that day, give me a little

information about your church, Jesus's

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Dwelling Place Church and about the

people and the principal foundings

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that you guys, uh, embark upon.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes.

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Um, Jesus dwell in place.

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We're actually a no denomination

church, and we clarify no denomination,

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you know, because even today, non

denomination has become a denomination.

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And so we want to clarify that, you know,

if someone believe in the Lord Jesus as

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their Lord and Savior, you know, they're

our brother and sister in the faith,

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all the rest of the doctrine will work

out as we study the Bible together.

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But, you know, we're in the midst

of a, uh, Mint below poor community.

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You know, I don't like considering them

that way, but the truth is the truth.

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You know, a lot of people come to

our churches on fixed incomes of

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that nature, you know, but all the

more so we need to power a GOD here.

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But our, you know, our church

doors are always open to everyone

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and anyone, you know, we're not

a respecter of persons at all.

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And we're just in a community

that needs us and we're just

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trying to do a good work.

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Tony Tidbit: That is awesome, my friend.

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And so tell us about the

spirit in the church, right?

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You know, non denominant.

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What'd you say?

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Say that again.

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No denomination, right?

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Which I love, right?

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It's just, it's spirit filled, God

fearing, you know, whoever believes

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in Jesus Christ shows up and has a

chance to worship and fellowship.

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So tell us a little bit about

the people who show up and their

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love for their community, their

church, and more importantly, God.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, we have all ages

showing up, you know, and it's really a

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marvel of just, you know, the people who

we get from the community coming out.

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And, you know, we do

work in the community.

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So, you know, people do know we here,

we do book bag giveaway, we do health

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fairs, we do, um, domestic violence.

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We're trying to work on a

mental health piece as well.

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You know, and we're getting a good aspect

of people coming out and joining us.

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We're a small congregation, but

with the limited resources that

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we have, we do a great work.

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Chris P. Reed: How long has your

church been in this community, Pastor?

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Rev Glenn Germany: We've been

in the community for 14 years.

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We actually received the church from a

Methodist church that was here before us.

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Tony Tidbit: So, Pastor Glenn, tell

us what a regular service looks like.

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What do you guys, what does everybody

do when they do come to church?

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Talk to us a little bit about the service.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, um, our service

doors was open a lot more before COVID.

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COVID really slowed us down a

lot as it did a lot of churches.

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But, you know, we still try to have our

church doors open three times a week.

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We have three services that we

actually offer to the community.

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And our service, you know, our service

is kind of different than other services.

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I want it that way.

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I like it that way.

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And what I mean by that is that it's

just not a monologue where we don't

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just come in and it's like a business

where we just get people in, rush

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them out, get them in, rush them out.

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You know, it's more so, no, let

us really relate to the people.

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Let us hear their needs,

you know, doing our service.

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We open up with praise and worship.

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After praise and worship, we have

a testimony time to let people

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say how God has blessed them and

what's going on in their lives.

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After that, you know, we pray for the

children that's sick and shedding.

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And then I bring the message.

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Now, the interesting thing about when

I bring the message is that you're

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allowed to stop me when I'm preaching.

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Now, I know that's not heard of in

other churches, you know, don't stop

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the pastor once he's in his message.

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But I believe that church is

the highest aspect of education.

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I believe that it is a place where you

should come to and learn like a education

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institution where you have the right if

you don't under, I mean, it's just amazing

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to me and I'll slow down a little bit.

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But what I mean by that is that

you I'm supposed to be one who is a

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watchman for the people, an overseer.

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I'm supposed to be explaining to

you things that you need for life.

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Now, if I'm up here preaching,

and you get lost, and you can't

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stop me, and you can't say, I'm

sorry, can you explain that to me?

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Can you go back over that?

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Can you, you know, can

you go in more detail?

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You know, it's like,

you're gonna leave here.

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And you didn't get what I was

supposed to be giving you.

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I mean, that just blows my mind of how,

you know, churches don't really care.

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Rather than that, the people here,

you know, it's like, go get the tape.

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Now ask me a question.

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Let me explain it.

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Let me go back over it because

it's vital for your life.

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I'm up here teaching you

things that you need.

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And so, At our church, you're allowed

to stop me in the midst of a sermon

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and ask me, can you repeat that?

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Can you go back over that?

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Can you explain that to me in more detail?

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Because it's really about you getting

the word and you learning the word.

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Chris P. Reed: Let me say this.

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So as a teacher, preacher, pastor,

prophet, you know, it seems like you

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have an all inviting, all encompassing,

all inclusive type of church.

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And I know that maybe that may be

what led to, you know, or what, uh,

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people might accuse as a contribution.

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To this incident because you had a

stranger, so to speak, come in your miss.

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But it seems like that's what

you wanna bring people in.

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You wanna bring people to the Lord.

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So you're always gonna continue to welcome

that type of, uh, open armed invite, uh,

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invitation to folks to come in and hear

what you have to say and engage with you.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, if this is a

place, a house of healing, and people

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are supposed to come in and get healed,

you don't see no hospitals, you know,

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wondering who's coming in, stopping,

because it's a place of healing.

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And so this is also a place of healing.

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Although we have to be safe, don't, don't

get me wrong, and I want my parishioners

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to feel safe, but at the same token, it

has to be Welcoming an open door policy,

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Tony Tidbit: and I can imagine you've

had a lot of people that you didn't

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know who may have just moved to the

community or, you know, felt the spirit

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that they they're not a church goer and

they all of a sudden says, you know what?

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I want to go in church and fellowship

and learn more about God Jesus Christ.

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So this wasn't unusual to

have somebody that you didn't

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know coming to your church.

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Is that correct?

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Rev Glenn Germany: No, it's not unusual.

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And for, you know, uh, we actually

do live music here and we're a small

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church, but we have been in music, me

and my brother for over 30, 40 years.

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We've been in music for

that long, you know, and so.

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We have a sound system that's

really amazing and we make sure it's

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crisp and we play live instruments,

you know, bass player, drum,

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keyboard, you know, with singers.

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So, therefore, people do hear our

music in the community and sometimes

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people just look in just to listen to

the live music and then go back out.

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So, it's not unusual for us to have

people peep in and leave out at all.

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Tony Tidbit: Got it, got it.

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So, speaking of that,

tell us about the day.

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When this person that walked in,

um, like any other day, right?

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Somebody you didn't know.

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So talk to us, tell us where you

were in, in, uh, from a service

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standpoint and then what happened?

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Rev Glenn Germany: Well,

it was really a blessing.

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And, you know, um, let me say it like

this at the time when I first recognized

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him, cause I was running late for church.

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All right.

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It was doing praise and worship.

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He came in, he went out,

he came in, he went out.

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All right, and that was doing praise and

worship, and it wasn't alarming because

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some people don't like praise and worship,

and they only like to wait for the word,

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and so at that point, it wasn't alarming

to me, and then my brother had told me

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a night before that he had spoke to some

young man, and he told me he was going

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to be, that the young man was going to

be there, so I was expecting someone

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of his age to be there, you know, and

then when I started to bring the word,

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and I stood up to bring the word, he

was in the back, and as I Prayed in so

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I could, uh, before I start preaching,

he moved up to the front of the church.

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It wasn't alarming because the simple

fact that, you know, even when I looked

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at him, he gave me a smile, you know,

so nothing was really alarming at all,

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you know, or made me uncomfortable.

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It was just a regular service.

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But the blessed part about it,

I'll say is that we actually stayed

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in praise and worship that day.

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for 45 minutes longer than

what we really used to stay in.

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At the time that I stood up to give the

message, service was supposed to be over.

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Tony Tidbit: Wow.

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Wow.

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You know, let's, we have a clip

from that timeframe, right?

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So you guys are having praise and worship.

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Um, and it's funny you said it was, it was

a little longer session this time, right?

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45 minutes.

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out of character.

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Uh, guys having a good time.

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You must, the spirit must be filling

everybody for you to keep praise and

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worship going on that long, right?

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We don't need a word right now.

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Let's just, let's just glorify God.

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Let's sing.

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Let's have a good time.

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Your brother said, Hey, some new

person is going to come tomorrow.

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So you expect it, a young

person, not a big deal.

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You know, if you had that before

person sitting, At the back of the

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pew, then slowly start moving up.

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So you're thinking, you know,

the spirit is moving, right?

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The praise and worship is working right?

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People, you know, come in with

their arms folded and the next

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thing you know, they started hearing

the, the, the, the praises of God.

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And the next thing you know,

they start becoming loose, right?

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So I would imagine that's

what you were thinking.

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So let's play the clip in terms

of what happened at that moment.

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Rev Glenn Germany: And Godly

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chose

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Church Members: Jesus, Jesus.

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Oh!

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Give me a chance!

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OK OK OK I'm pleading!

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I'm pleading!

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I'm pleading!

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I'm pleading!

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Tony Tidbit: So Pastor Glenn

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Explain to, because obviously we have the

video, but this is just the audio portion,

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explain to everybody what, what was that?

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Well, I heard Jesus.

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So Jesus never stopped being

said, which is, which is great.

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Right.

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But tell us what was

happening at that timeframe.

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So the audience knows.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes.

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At that time, like I said,

I had just prayed in.

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He was in the back of the church.

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I had prayed in and he

moved up to the front.

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He was on my left corner, you

know, and I looked over there

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cause I like to read the audience.

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I like to, you know, see

where they are and see, you

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know, their comfortable level.

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And so when I looked at him, he

smiled at me and then I started to

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look at the rest of the congregation.

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And as he, as he, he got

up and I seen him stand up.

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And I'm thinking that he's going,

my brother is in the video.

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You will see my brother is to

the right of me because I have a

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reader reading while I'm preaching.

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And so I'm thinking that he's

going to, you know, the service was

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longer than it was supposed to be.

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I'm thinking he's going to tell my

brother, Hey, I wanted to stay, but

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I have to go, you know, cause you

know, y'all was pretty long today.

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And so I'm thinking that he's going to

actually tell my brother, you know, go

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over there and speak with my brother.

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But once he got to the middle of the

pulpit, you know, where I preach from.

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You know, I, you know, I took my

eyes off him once he stood up the

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next time I seen him on it and really

see him as much as I just see the

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barrel of the gun staring at me.

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And so at that point, you know, I tell

everybody they'd be like, ask me this

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question, like, what were you thinking?

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I'd be wanting to say, What do you think?

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I was thinking.

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I mean, really, you know, a

gun, you're staring at a gun.

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It's get out the way right out the way.

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Ain't no superman.

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Ain't no trying to talk nobody down.

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I'm moving out his way.

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I'm trying to get cover, you know,

and then I'll take my chances from

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there, you know, and so At that point,

I didn't hear no gunfire, and so now,

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uh, I look back to see, you know,

what's going on, and I see my deacon

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have him, so now I'm like, oh, go help.

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And at that point, I went and helped, we

wrestled the gun from him, and then I went

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from one point of trying to protect the

congregation from him, to now I'm trying

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to protect him from the congregation.

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Chris P. Reed: Let me ask you this

cause that's, that's very interesting.

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And people talk about how time slows down.

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And so for you, I've seen the

video and I know, you know,

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it's a matter of 15, 16 seconds.

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Like it was boom, boom, boom.

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It was, it was so much

action in my perspective.

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But from your perspective, now that

you've got a chance to, I don't

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know if you've seen the video.

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And, you know, if you okay, when you look

back at it, did it seem that immediate

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or did it seem slow motion in real time?

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Because your motion from diving

got the way to jumping back

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into the fray was amazing to me.

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I was like, man, this dude was

just jumping to the left and now

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he's helping his brother, you

know, or his, uh, his, uh, deacon.

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Subdue this guy.

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And like you said, trying to

protect the congregation from him.

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How did that elapse in your mind?

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Was it slow motion?

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Was it faster than you know, next thing

you know, you blinked and it was over.

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How

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Rev Glenn Germany: did that work for you?

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Yeah, be honest with you.

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It wasn't no thinking.

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It was like just natural reactions

at that point, to be honest with you.

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I had no time to really

consider what was going on.

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Think, do I want to help?

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Not want to help.

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It was just natural reactions.

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And, you know, I tell people all the

time and it's nothing that, you know,

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I'm proud of, but I had a past before.

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You understand what I'm saying?

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In my past, it I've been to altercation

such as that plenty of times.

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Okay.

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So it was just training setting.

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I mean, you know, you've been

there before and at that point

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it's like, we gonna fight for life.

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I, I don't know how many

bullets he have in a gun.

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I don't know what his intentions

is, but we gonna get that gun off.

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He, that's for sure.

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You jumped into fight Air buddy.

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Chris P. Reed: I gotta say he

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jumped in

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the fight.

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Air flight, Tony.

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You know what I mean?

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You got to fight to

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Tony Tidbit: say, I mean, when you

said you had done stuff before, I'm

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like, well, you Superman, because

you dove, I mean, instantaneously.

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Right.

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So, so, but let's back up a little

bit because, uh, and Chris spoke to it

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about Deacon Clarence McAllister, right?

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Talk a little bit about him because

he dove over, I believe a pew or,

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or something that was up there.

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He dove.

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over that on top of him and

subdued him, uh, which then

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you were able to come and help.

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So talk a little bit

about Deacon McAllister,

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Rev Glenn Germany: you

know, him and his wife.

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And I got to put his wife in

any time I talk about him.

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I got to add her in there.

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They are really pillars to our church.

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She is really.

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I mean, she's the motor that moves

the engine, you know, and him, he

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is a wonderful, wonderful person.

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And the crazy thing about it is that,

you know, uh, a week ago before this

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incident happened, I'm saying a week

before the incident, I spoke with my

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wife after service along with my brother,

who is the senior pastor of the church.

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I spoke to them.

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I said, look, yeah, yeah.

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They've been here with us.

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They've been faithful to us.

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They've been committed.

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They always give they give themselves

anything you need done at the church.

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They are the ones I was like, we got to

figure out some way of honoring them,

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you know, and so for it to be him, the

one who actually jumped over the rail

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and came and that's just who he is.

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There was one time, long story short,

my car broke down, I'm downtown, coming

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off the, um, like the little freeway,

but I'm in the middle of traffic, I

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call him, this guy comes down, change

my tire in the middle of the street,

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put me on a new tire, fix the flat,

get me on my way, and be like, just go

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pastor, get out of here, you know, didn't

want nothing, didn't ask for nothing,

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just get out of here pastor, you know,

but that's the type of person he is.

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Always helping people

and for him to do that.

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It didn't amaze me at all because

that's just the type of person he

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is He he'll give his life for you.

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I mean, he don't you know He just

is a given person and you know He'd

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give up himself and he even showed

he'll give his life if I have to be

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Chris P. Reed: it's good to have good

people Now, what's the sister name

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so we can make sure we get her in the

in the byline Mary McCallister, Mary

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McCallister, his name is Clarence

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Rev Glenn Germany: McCallister,

her name is Mary, and she is a

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beautiful, wonderful sister.

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Chris P. Reed: God bless them both.

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God bless them both.

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And so, when that's going on, and he

jumped to action, I mean, obviously,

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I would love to know his mind state

too, and I'm sure you guys have spoken,

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but he jumped to action, he comes over

the altar, you know, with the guy.

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Immediately you went from, like I

said, uh, flight to fight and you

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go back into the fight with him.

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What's going on in your mind?

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Because it's a lot of things that I've

seen interviews where you said you were

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speaking to the guy and things like that.

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So, the interaction at that

point in time, what's the words?

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What's the things that we may

not have picked up on the audio?

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What's going on after you realize, okay.

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Now the gun is not an

immediate danger anymore to me.

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What's the next steps in your mind?

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Rev Glenn Germany: I'm just going to

back up to the altercation a little bit.

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If the gun was immediate danger to me all

the way until I got to the gun, angle that

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I take the gun was still pointing at me.

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And so I was like, Whoa, let me take

an angle that he can't still shoot me.

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So my angle, you know, first day

I was mic'd up and you'll see me

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fix my mic, kind of, kind of loosen

me up, you know what I'm saying?

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Then I'm like coming at an angle

to where I'm out of harm's way.

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But the thing that amazed me

the most, little words were

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spoken between me and him.

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But the whole time we were communicating

while we were getting the gun from him.

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And that was the most amazing

part to me of the communication

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that me and him had while we were

getting the gun from the gentleman.

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You know, it was like, you

know, even you'll hear us at

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the end, even be more vocally.

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But while we were, you know, it

was like, I see you got his hands.

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I got his hands now.

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Release his hands.

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And then he went for the gun because

he knew I got his hands now, but we

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were in communication the whole time.

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And that part was the only thing

that really like slowed down.

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And it's like, wow, we were really

communicating with each other,

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getting this out of this guy's hands.

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: 00:20:43

Tony Tidbit: Right.

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What, what was the gunman?

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Did he say anything?

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Was he saying stop?

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Or I'm sorry.

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Or, you know, what was his communication?

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes.

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: 00:20:51

And like brother Clarence didn't see

The gunman, because he's the cameraman,

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: 00:20:56

he didn't see the gunman until the

gun until in through the camera.

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: 00:21:00

That's when he seen the gunman

when it was pointing at me.

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Once we got him down.

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: 00:21:04

Now, you know, if you see the guy kind

of quit once once we had him and got

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him down, it was like no struggle.

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But the communication is I had at

least 12 or 15, like, well, really,

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it was like 20 minutes to almost

totally of that I had to yeah.

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While I was holding him down, you know,

waiting for the police to get here and

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me and him had a conversation and he

was just as normal talking to me like

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me and you're talking right now, you

know, it wasn't nothing hostile, you

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: 00:21:30

know, it was like, I asked him, wow,

what made you do something like that?

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What was happening?

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What's going on?

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: 00:21:35

You know, and he just, you know, he

told me his name, where he from, where

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: 00:21:38

he lived at before, how long he'd

been in Pittsburgh, you know, I mean,

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we're, we're talking, you know, and

he tells me he's sorry, you know, and

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he said, I don't know why I did it.

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I don't know.

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He just said, you know, something told

me come in here and kill the pastor.

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And I followed out what it told me, you

know, and he told me this twice, but

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: 00:21:56

at the time, you know, The one that get

me the most is when I had a chance to

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: 00:22:01

talk to him when he was in the car and

I walked up to him and he spoke to me

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like, you know, like man was buddies.

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: 00:22:07

You know how you playing one on one

basketball with your buddy and you say

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: 00:22:11

something like, Oh man, you got out today.

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: 00:22:12

But he told me like this.

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He said, yo, bro, you

ducked the taco today.

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: 00:22:17

And I'm like, duck taco.

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: 00:22:19

But what he was saying was,

yo, bro, I was shooting at your

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: 00:22:22

head and you ducked that thing.

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But it was just this calm,

calm as man was speaking.

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: 00:22:28

Chris P. Reed: Let me ask you this

because you obviously serious about this

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preaching thing because you was straight

and preacher boat at this point in time.

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Was there ever any anger or any

frustration, aggravation or rage

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: 00:22:40

that kicked in that this man was

just about to take your life because

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it seemed like you didn't even step

into that mindset behind the pulpit.

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: 00:22:47

Like, how did you avoid

all of that type of?

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I can't believe this dude tried to

come at me, especially with your past.

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: 00:22:53

Like you said, okay.

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: 00:22:54

You seem to be straight

preacher guy the whole time.

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: 00:22:58

How did you keep that type of poise?

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: 00:23:01

Rev Glenn Germany: I mean, it's, you

know, a lot of times it's what you put

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: 00:23:03

in you, you know, the thing is I tell

people all the time, you know, it just

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wasn't an event that just happened.

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: 00:23:09

God's been prepping me prepping my

church prepping us all for this incident.

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: 00:23:14

We were in the book of Peter and we

were learning about when various trials

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: 00:23:18

come your way, you know, not taking them

personal understanding the truth of, you

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: 00:23:22

know, they're there to build you up, you

know, and I didn't do it because I knew

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: 00:23:26

I was on videotape or anything like that.

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I just was like.

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I understand, you know, when I looked

at him and I seen like, I can't be mad

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: 00:23:35

at this guy, you know what I'm saying?

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When I see he's not all here, you know,

it's one thing is somebody planned it out,

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: 00:23:41

plotted, thought about it, you know, he

just did it off the spur of the moment.

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: 00:23:44

He was dealing with something in his mind.

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: 00:23:46

I didn't know all this at the

time, but when I looked at him,

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: 00:23:49

I was like, But man, I hear you.

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: 00:23:51

I love you.

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: 00:23:52

I'm not angry with you.

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: 00:23:53

I'm not upset with you.

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: 00:23:54

I forgive you.

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: 00:23:55

You know, I just wanted to let him know,

you know, that I really care about him.

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: 00:23:59

That somebody care about him, you

know, but no, it just ain't in me no

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more, I guess, to be honest with you.

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: 00:24:05

And I just thank God for that, that,

you know, the love of God is just

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: 00:24:08

in me, but he's just an instant.

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: 00:24:10

I tell everybody y'all just seen

that on tape, but you are who you

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: 00:24:14

are, you know, and anybody who

knows me, they know me as such.

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: 00:24:18

You know, you will not get, you

can ask a thousand people about

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: 00:24:20

me, you're going to get the same

report for all thousand people.

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: 00:24:23

Chris P. Reed: That's what's up.

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: 00:24:24

And I know you, I know you're going to

go to the, to the aftermath of this,

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: 00:24:27

Tony, but, but my question is, when

did you realize that it was on tape?

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: 00:24:31

Like, I'm sure during the moment, you're

not even thinking about that dang tape.

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: 00:24:34

You're not thinking

about it being recorded.

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: 00:24:35

When did it hit your mind

that, oh my gosh, this is all

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: 00:24:38

like, people are witnessing it.

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: 00:24:40

There's a record of this situation.

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: 00:24:43

When did that hit you?

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: 00:24:46

Rev Glenn Germany: Well, the tape hit

me when I seen my people getting angry.

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: 00:24:50

I seen them getting angry.

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: 00:24:51

So the first time I get the

recorder off, because I don't

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: 00:24:54

know what they're going to do.

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: 00:24:55

And now I got to protect him.

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: 00:24:58

And at the same token, make

sure that, you know, they stay.

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: 00:25:01

And I didn't want none of their

actions to be caught on tape of

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: 00:25:04

them doing anything contrary.

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: 00:25:05

I was comfortable.

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: 00:25:07

I just didn't want my people to be

caught on tape out of character.

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Bless you.

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: 00:25:11

Tony Tidbit: You know, I got to say this.

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: 00:25:13

I want to try it.

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: 00:25:13

Cause you said something a few minutes

ago that we're going to dive into, but I

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: 00:25:17

just got to say this right at the end of

the day, you know, people come to church.

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: 00:25:23

They learn about the word of God.

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: 00:25:25

They learn about, you know,

turning the other cheek.

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: 00:25:28

They learn about dealing with adversity.

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: 00:25:30

They learn about all the things.

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: 00:25:33

That God wants us to do when

we face adversity, when things

538

: 00:25:37

don't go our way, right?

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: 00:25:39

And here was a prime example.

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: 00:25:42

You guys are in the middle of

praise and worship, you're having

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: 00:25:44

a good time, and then all of a

sudden this incident happens.

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: 00:25:48

And then, based on that, you saw Not

only yourself, but your, your flock

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: 00:25:55

jump to action and actually, uh,

epitomize at that moment what you've been

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: 00:26:02

teaching them for the longest, right?

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: 00:26:04

So how do you, just tell us real quickly,

how did, does that make you feel proud?

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: 00:26:08

How does that make you feel

about your congregation?

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: 00:26:11

Rev Glenn Germany: I

was really proud of him.

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: 00:26:12

You know, some of them was praying

for him, you know, at that point.

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: 00:26:15

And that's where you even hear Jesus,

Jesus, Jesus, you know, and in a small

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: 00:26:19

clip that we're going to show even

later, you know, I had told them one,

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: 00:26:23

one to come and pray, I'm like, you're

going to pray, move over there and pray.

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: 00:26:25

But let me finish talking to him.

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: 00:26:27

I don't want nothing to be disturbed, but

I told them in the next service, I was

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: 00:26:31

proud of them and they passed the test.

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: 00:26:34

Tony Tidbit: That is awesome.

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: 00:26:35

My friend.

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: 00:26:36

Now talking about passing the test,

you said something a minute ago and we

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: 00:26:41

just got finished talking about how.

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: 00:26:43

Out of the blue, the situation happened,

you guys wasn't expected, rose to the

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: 00:26:48

occasion, you know, Deacon McAllister, you

know, hero, him and his wife, you, Sudhu,

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: 00:26:54

the congregation, it could have been, it

could have, to your point, went a whole

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: 00:26:59

other way, but everybody held their cool.

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: 00:27:01

They did what they need to do,

but you said it took 20 minutes

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: 00:27:05

for the police to show up.

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: 00:27:07

That doesn't make, so talk to

us a little bit about that.

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: 00:27:10

Rev Glenn Germany: Yeah, that part, you

know, that was like, wow, you know, but

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: 00:27:15

it was a lot of stuff going on that day.

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: 00:27:18

Let me just say this here, all glory

be unto God, because the simple fact

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: 00:27:22

that The way everything was and for

that incident to happen, everything

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: 00:27:25

turned out the way it did, I thank God.

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: 00:27:28

It was un excusable for that to occur.

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: 00:27:31

They were in the mission, our police,

now this is afterwards where I

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: 00:27:35

get the chance to investigate why.

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: 00:27:37

They were in the mission, uh, or in the

middle of transitioning to a unified

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: 00:27:42

police operation here in our area

because there's a bunch of small bureaus

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: 00:27:47

here together and they decided to make

one police force to cover them all.

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: 00:27:51

But that Sunday.

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: 00:27:52

That police force wasn't formed yet.

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: 00:27:54

It was supposed to be

starting the next week.

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: 00:27:56

Now, how you leave something unintended

for a whole day like that in an area

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: 00:28:01

like this blows my mind, but that was

a choice that they decided to make.

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: 00:28:05

And so the police officers who they

call now, another thing I would say

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: 00:28:10

is that we called an active shooter.

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: 00:28:13

All right.

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: 00:28:13

And so that part really has me upset as

well, that we called an active shooter.

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: 00:28:18

I don't care about what jurisdiction I

don't care about, you know, Um, anything

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: 00:28:23

because people's life is on the line.

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: 00:28:26

At that point, I believe

the nearest police station.

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: 00:28:29

I understand that they have to be

careful because they could be sued to.

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: 00:28:32

But when you're talking about active

shooter, there's a police state

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: 00:28:35

of Pittsburgh City limits is only

two minutes away from my church.

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: 00:28:39

They could have came a lot faster

than a Turtle Creek police that came.

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: 00:28:43

And when they got here,

only one officer came.

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: 00:28:47

So he got here.

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: 00:28:49

in like, you know, 15 minutes after him.

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: 00:28:54

Now I need to say the

call had to go through.

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: 00:28:56

So I'm holding them all weather

calling and we got time stamps of,

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: 00:29:00

you know, at the time when my wife,

who was the last person to call, who

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: 00:29:03

even called two minutes after they

call to the time the police got here.

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: 00:29:08

You, we, it was 15 minutes easily, but

I still had to hold him prior minutes

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: 00:29:12

before they can even get the call

through, you know, we did things wrong

602

: 00:29:16

herself, which comes with awareness,

learning that in situations like

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: 00:29:19

that, only one person called too many

calls, they get overloaded with calls.

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: 00:29:24

One person called explain the situation.

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: 00:29:27

It will help save a little bit of time.

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: 00:29:29

But at the same token, the police force

that actually did the state troopers

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: 00:29:33

are the ones who had jurisdiction.

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: 00:29:35

Now they're 22 miles away and

we call at like 1:06 and they

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: 00:29:41

don't get dispatched to 1:11.

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: 00:29:44

They should have already been

here in that time period.

611

: 00:29:47

And then they come in 22 miles away.

612

: 00:29:49

So only one officer came and

then even 10 minutes after that,

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: 00:29:54

the other one come about 1:31.

614

: 00:29:56

So we were holding the guy down from

1:05 till they get outside at 1:31.

615

: 00:30:03

By the time they got in

here, it was even more time.

616

: 00:30:06

Chris P. Reed: So.

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: 00:30:06

So when you say the other one came,

you mean the other fire department?

618

: 00:30:09

Ambulance, SWAT.

619

: 00:30:12

The other one came, the other one,

620

: 00:30:14

Tony Tidbit: the

621

: 00:30:14

police

622

: 00:30:15

officer,

623

: 00:30:16

Rev Glenn Germany: the other, there,

there may be total officers that came

624

: 00:30:20

to the scene with maybe four officers.

625

: 00:30:23

Now, once the one got here and we

got him in the car, maybe he call

626

: 00:30:27

and say everything is, you know,

uh, different, but I don't know.

627

: 00:30:31

But, you know, the sad part

is we call an active shooter.

628

: 00:30:34

Didn't know.

629

: 00:30:35

Amlan's come.

630

: 00:30:36

No fire.

631

: 00:30:37

Um, truck come.

632

: 00:30:39

Nothing.

633

: 00:30:39

One officer came and me and that

one officer and we got footage

634

: 00:30:44

of it that they didn't see.

635

: 00:30:45

It was on a video.

636

: 00:30:46

You know, someone filmed on a video phone.

637

: 00:30:49

One officer came, me and that one officer.

638

: 00:30:51

We got Walk the guy out to the

officer's car ten minutes later.

639

: 00:30:55

That's why I have time to talk to him.

640

: 00:30:57

Is that that's when the other

police officers get here.

641

: 00:31:01

Now only like three more officers came.

642

: 00:31:04

Tony Tidbit: Let's back up.

643

: 00:31:06

Let me say this

644

: 00:31:06

Chris P. Reed: though, Tony.

645

: 00:31:07

Let me say this.

646

: 00:31:07

Go ahead.

647

: 00:31:07

I'm sorry.

648

: 00:31:08

I'm so sorry.

649

: 00:31:08

Buddy,

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: 00:31:09

Tony Tidbit: this is Woo!

651

: 00:31:10

Chris P. Reed: So first of all, first

of all, Pastor Glenn, I want to give

652

: 00:31:13

you some grace in the fact that you said

maybe we didn't do everything right.

653

: 00:31:16

You're not supposed to be

learning, educated on all of

654

: 00:31:21

the protocols in an emergency.

655

: 00:31:24

Like dang, you did so much right.

656

: 00:31:25

Don't put that on you, bro.

657

: 00:31:26

Don't put that on your heart.

658

: 00:31:28

You did what you needed to.

659

: 00:31:29

You called the authorities.

660

: 00:31:31

The authorities are supposed to

be authoritative at that point

661

: 00:31:34

in time and come and save you.

662

: 00:31:36

You had already did all the

saving you needed to do that day.

663

: 00:31:39

They need to come in, you know, with

the cavalry and save you or at least

664

: 00:31:42

secure the scene and the situation.

665

: 00:31:45

It is a tragedy.

666

: 00:31:46

When we talk about tragedy, that

seems to unfortunately be the

667

: 00:31:50

greatest tragedy in all of this.

668

: 00:31:52

Is that you didn't get no support

from the people that are there to

669

: 00:31:55

protect the server serving protect

you guys and that's the confusion.

670

: 00:31:59

That's the frustration.

671

: 00:32:00

It's interesting that there

is more emotion for you from a

672

: 00:32:04

negative perspective in that.

673

: 00:32:06

Then it wasn't

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: 00:32:07

a man that tried to kill you, kill you,

675

: 00:32:09

Tony Tidbit: buddy.

676

: 00:32:10

I mean, think about it for a second.

677

: 00:32:11

And again, maybe it's me.

678

: 00:32:14

I never, you know, you learn as a kid,

call 9 1 1, the instructions wasn't, well,

679

: 00:32:20

don't call if somebody else calls, okay?

680

: 00:32:22

At the end of the day, people call

9 1 1 about situ they get multiple

681

: 00:32:27

calls, which they should get, right?

682

: 00:32:30

About a circ a situation.

683

: 00:32:31

So it has nothing to do with, oh, maybe

we should, uh, we called too much.

684

: 00:32:35

No, it's an active shooter.

685

: 00:32:38

You're supposed to call,

multiple people supposed to call.

686

: 00:32:41

That's not that.

687

: 00:32:42

I'll be honest with you, to Chris's

point, that has nothing, you guys

688

: 00:32:45

have no accountability on that.

689

: 00:32:47

That is the police force, that's the 9

1 1 operator, that's, that's them, okay?

690

: 00:32:53

Number two, 20 minutes, and, and, and

look, definitely want to praise God.

691

: 00:32:59

We want to, you know, praise you guys

for what you did to defuse the situation.

692

: 00:33:05

But this could have turned out, I mean,

think about it, what if he got some shots

693

: 00:33:09

off, somebody could have died and only

one officer comes in an active shooting.

694

: 00:33:15

So did you think about, and again, we

can always, you know, uh, uh, uh, play

695

: 00:33:20

Monday morning quarterback, but did you

think about what could have happened

696

: 00:33:24

and by the police not showing up?

697

: 00:33:27

Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, I actually, you

know, that runs through my mind a lot.

698

: 00:33:30

And I actually, you know, there are

things, you know, I'm still challenging

699

: 00:33:34

the day and I know I can't, I'm not

allowed to do this, you know, because

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: 00:33:38

I don't want to get arrested for it.

701

: 00:33:40

But I told myself one day I just

want to call the police on a sunday

702

: 00:33:44

and call active shooter and see

if they really made adjustments.

703

: 00:33:47

You know what I'm saying?

704

: 00:33:48

Because this area need police presence and

you know, I know and I hear y'all telling

705

: 00:33:53

me that y'all making adjustments and I

hear y'all saying It was unexcusable.

706

: 00:33:57

But what true evidence do I have

that y'all made adjustments?

707

: 00:34:01

And the only test is to really just say,

okay, let's just call Actors Shooter

708

: 00:34:05

and see what happens this time and

see if they really made adjustments.

709

: 00:34:09

But I know I can't do that,

but truly that is in my heart.

710

: 00:34:15

Tony Tidbit: Let me ask you

this though, and maybe you

711

: 00:34:17

know this or maybe you don't.

712

: 00:34:19

Talk a little bit about the community.

713

: 00:34:22

What's the response time for

the police in any situation?

714

: 00:34:25

Do you know that at all?

715

: 00:34:27

Rev Glenn Germany: They said that they

would like the response time to be four

716

: 00:34:30

minutes in any other part of the city.

717

: 00:34:33

It would have been four minutes, you

know, and like I'm saying, when you

718

: 00:34:37

call active shooter, the city limits

of Pittsburgh is not that far from us.

719

: 00:34:42

It's just that when you deal

with the other, you know, other

720

: 00:34:44

communities, they have police presence.

721

: 00:34:47

We don't have police presence here.

722

: 00:34:48

At all in our, in our neighborhood,

it needs to be when you're

723

: 00:34:53

dealing with a neighborhood and

it's not, don't get me wrong.

724

: 00:34:55

It's not like a all out war

neighborhood, but still you need

725

: 00:34:59

police presence in the central of it.

726

: 00:35:02

So then at any given time they

can disperse in wherever part

727

: 00:35:06

of the area they have to be.

728

: 00:35:07

But we, you know, we just don't have that.

729

: 00:35:10

Chris P. Reed: Let me ask

you a question real quick.

730

: 00:35:11

Um, is this the first instance of a

place like yours, a place of worship?

731

: 00:35:17

That has become under attack.

732

: 00:35:18

And so they just didn't

have a protocol in place.

733

: 00:35:20

They didn't know how to respond.

734

: 00:35:22

I mean, they just didn't have

the wherewithal to do it.

735

: 00:35:24

Um, or, oh, it's not.

736

: 00:35:26

Oh, oh, okay.

737

: 00:35:27

Wow.

738

: 00:35:28

Tony Tidbit: So tell us about that.

739

: 00:35:29

Tell us about that.

740

: 00:35:30

They're

741

: 00:35:30

Chris P. Reed: inexcusable.

742

: 00:35:31

Rev Glenn Germany: We're 10

minutes from the tree of life.

743

: 00:35:33

Okay.

744

: 00:35:33

I don't know if you heard of

the tree of life incident that.

745

: 00:35:36

We're 10 minutes from the Jewish

synagogue, where 11 people died.

746

: 00:35:41

We're 10 minutes from there.

747

: 00:35:42

So they should have a protocol in place.

748

: 00:35:45

That happened a couple years ago.

749

: 00:35:47

10 people, 11 people died.

750

: 00:35:49

They even coming out and actually,

you know, comforting us as well.

751

: 00:35:53

But we're 10 minutes from there.

752

: 00:35:54

So they had no excuse for not having a

protocol in place, none, especially as big

753

: 00:35:59

as the, uh, Tree of Life situation went.

754

: 00:36:03

Tony Tidbit: So, so

755

: 00:36:07

how is, based on all the things that have

happened, um, from the shooter, you guys

756

: 00:36:15

wrestling to the ground, the congregation,

obviously praying over him, loving him,

757

: 00:36:21

the lack of, um, emergency services.

758

: 00:36:24

From a mental standpoint, how, how

are you and your church members doing?

759

: 00:36:30

Rev Glenn Germany: We're pulling

through, you know, it's a process.

760

: 00:36:33

And a lot of times, you know, as

pastors, we take things lightly.

761

: 00:36:38

And I thank God that he

removed some of my defenses.

762

: 00:36:42

And what I mean by that is that, God can

empower me and let me overcome everything,

763

: 00:36:47

give me wisdom, understanding, open

my understanding, and it just empowers

764

: 00:36:51

you to be a more than a conqueror,

but some of the time he lets down my

765

: 00:36:55

defenses so I can really understand

the comfort that others need and I

766

: 00:36:59

can understand, you know, trauma.

767

: 00:37:01

People deal with it differently.

768

: 00:37:03

And even myself, I'm learning every

day of how it's, you know, yeah.

769

: 00:37:07

The effects that I'm getting like, I'm

like wanting to go like, okay, you know,

770

: 00:37:11

I've been here before, done this before.

771

: 00:37:13

And so I should be okay.

772

: 00:37:15

It's just crazy.

773

: 00:37:16

You know, in my younger age,

it wouldn't affect me the way

774

: 00:37:18

it does now that it affects me.

775

: 00:37:21

I'm, I'm actually really

suffering myself, you know, from

776

: 00:37:25

this incident and small ways.

777

: 00:37:27

And every day I'm seeing it.

778

: 00:37:29

more ways that it's affected me.

779

: 00:37:31

The first way it hit me was the

initial event didn't hit me at all.

780

: 00:37:35

I was comfortable, but then

I had to take my daughter who

781

: 00:37:38

was here with me, who's 14.

782

: 00:37:40

She's seen it.

783

: 00:37:41

And this is where, this is, this is,

784

: 00:37:47

this is where it always.

785

: 00:37:49

Get me at and I always

go into tears because

786

: 00:37:57

Tony Tidbit: it's okay.

787

: 00:37:57

My brother,

788

: 00:38:01

Rev Glenn Germany: I'm dealing with it

in a, in a, in a secondary aspect, just

789

: 00:38:05

watching my daughter have to process it.

790

: 00:38:08

That was the part that,

you know, I couldn't take.

791

: 00:38:11

And then my older daughter, she

called me and to watch her break

792

: 00:38:14

down every time I think about

793

: 00:38:20

every time I think about and

watching them break down.

794

: 00:38:22

It just, I have no power over.

795

: 00:38:25

It breaks me every single time.

796

: 00:38:27

Every interview, every

conversation about it.

797

: 00:38:35

Chris P. Reed: Let me, let

me say this pastor because.

798

: 00:38:37

I think the toughest part is something

that you and your people need healing

799

: 00:38:41

and, and, and support and assistance

on is that you guys are forced.

800

: 00:38:46

Cause you said the next

Sunday, you was back up there.

801

: 00:38:49

Y'all going back to

the scene of the crime.

802

: 00:38:51

I mean, think about how much mental

anguish it is to go back to the

803

: 00:38:55

scene of the crime, to fulfill the

task that the Lord has for you.

804

: 00:38:59

It wasn't a situation

where you could just.

805

: 00:39:01

Go somewhere else and start up

another church and forget all that.

806

: 00:39:04

You got to go back and somewhat

relive that every Sunday, every

807

: 00:39:09

three, I'm sorry, three times a week.

808

: 00:39:10

What'd you say?

809

: 00:39:11

Three times a week and keep the mission.

810

: 00:39:14

On task, right?

811

: 00:39:15

Keep the mission of building

the kingdom on task.

812

: 00:39:18

How difficult is that for you?

813

: 00:39:20

Mentally?

814

: 00:39:21

I know you got family, your daughter, your

brother, your wife, you got loved ones

815

: 00:39:25

that you actually wanted to support beyond

yourself and make sure they were safe.

816

: 00:39:29

Like, that was, you said that

earlier, your mindset was to make

817

: 00:39:32

sure everybody was safe, but you're

returning to that scene of the crime.

818

: 00:39:36

There has to be some residue.

819

: 00:39:38

That's established there.

820

: 00:39:39

Do y'all have the opportunity or the,

or the ability to talk to somebody or,

821

: 00:39:44

or have the, uh, ability to reach out

and make sure that y'all can get the

822

: 00:39:48

support like, like the, uh, the synagogue

received, you know, where people are

823

: 00:39:52

pouring in to make sure that y'all still

good and y'all can continue this mission

824

: 00:39:55

in the way in which you wanted it to go.

825

: 00:39:58

Rev Glenn Germany: Our resources is

totally different and I hate to say it

826

: 00:40:01

like this, you know, their resources,

the professionals that came with them,

827

: 00:40:06

I know that people die, but still

you're dealing with trauma, you know,

828

: 00:40:09

and to all respect to their situation,

you know, I watch how I speak about

829

: 00:40:13

it because 11 people did die and they

didn't have the outcome that we had.

830

: 00:40:17

And I thank God for that, you

know, but they're professional

831

: 00:40:21

people who stepped in.

832

: 00:40:22

It's totally different than

what was offered to us.

833

: 00:40:25

We get the generic resources, the, you

know, and no offense to the people who

834

: 00:40:30

trying to help and I thank them for trying

to help, you know, but at the same token,

835

: 00:40:34

you need a higher level of professionalism

coming in here, trying to help, not just

836

: 00:40:40

the neighborhood church down the street.

837

: 00:40:42

I mean, we got as much as wisdom

and counseling in any church.

838

: 00:40:45

So, you know, you just got to go to

a higher level of professional, like

839

: 00:40:48

the hospitals stepped in for them.

840

: 00:40:50

You know what I'm saying?

841

: 00:40:51

And different.

842

: 00:40:52

When they had their situation, and I'm,

I'm not looking for anything as far

843

: 00:40:57

as, you know, do for us the way y'all

did them, they, in one week, they got

844

: 00:41:03

over $3 million in support for them

and what they were going through, and

845

: 00:41:09

one week, we didn't even get $1100

846

: 00:41:12

support, you know, they got professionals

coming in, you know, I just started

847

: 00:41:17

speaking with the justice, uh, uh, U.

848

: 00:41:19

S.

849

: 00:41:20

Department of Justice.

850

: 00:41:21

They're actually now taking notice

because, uh, two nights ago, a young

851

: 00:41:26

lady get, uh, killed behind the church.

852

: 00:41:29

And so these things is now bringing

attention to this community

853

: 00:41:33

and now they're stepping in

and now I'm challenging them.

854

: 00:41:37

But no, the resources that we got here

compared to other people who have, I mean,

855

: 00:41:42

other communities and other synagogues

and churches, our resources is limited and

856

: 00:41:47

we're getting a limited edition by far.

857

: 00:41:50

Chris P. Reed: Have all the

members been comfortable enough?

858

: 00:41:53

To make their way back.

859

: 00:41:55

Um, it's got to be difficult

from a traumatic perspective.

860

: 00:41:58

I know I'm married and if I told my wife,

hey, we're gonna go to the church that the

861

: 00:42:01

man tried to come and shoot the spot up.

862

: 00:42:03

We would have to have a conversation,

some fasting, some prayer and

863

: 00:42:06

some other stuff before we.

864

: 00:42:07

So how does that work?

865

: 00:42:09

How is that working for you?

866

: 00:42:11

Because obviously you're always

trying to build and grow and

867

: 00:42:13

expand the word and witness.

868

: 00:42:15

How much more difficult is it in your

situation with your limited resources?

869

: 00:42:20

Rev Glenn Germany: Um, you know, we're

being, I think the greatest aspect of

870

: 00:42:24

counseling is coming from right here

with us, you know, being here with us,

871

: 00:42:28

you know, we're talking, you know, we

know our congregation, we're like family.

872

: 00:42:32

We're not just hirelings.

873

: 00:42:33

We know our people.

874

: 00:42:35

We spend time with our people.

875

: 00:42:36

We go places with our people.

876

: 00:42:38

You know, we talk on the phone all week.

877

: 00:42:41

I talked to every one of my people.

878

: 00:42:43

So, you know, That's the greatest aspect

of healing going on and comfort level.

879

: 00:42:47

I let them know that I'm doing

things now so we can have security.

880

: 00:42:51

Because even my wife told me, you know,

when someone walked in the church,

881

: 00:42:54

she looked back because I explained

to her, like, Right now I had to take

882

: 00:42:58

time off my job because, you know,

just doing my family, dealing with the

883

: 00:43:01

church, dealing with interviews and

everything, I'm not working at this point.

884

: 00:43:05

And so I still have to supplement

my income by going out at

885

: 00:43:08

times in Uber at nighttime.

886

: 00:43:10

And so the thing that is, you know,

I don't get paid from the church.

887

: 00:43:14

I don't get a payment at all

from the church, you know?

888

: 00:43:17

So the thing that, um, I was saying, and

it's, you know, it's affected me and I

889

: 00:43:21

understood what my wife was saying was

because like a young man got in my car.

890

: 00:43:26

And he was sitting in the back seat and

he opened up a Gatorade and it went pop.

891

: 00:43:31

And at that minute, you know, I'm

like looking back, then, um, the

892

: 00:43:35

whole ride, I'm like looking at him

saying, I wonder if he just gets in

893

: 00:43:39

the car, no reason, just try something.

894

: 00:43:41

I never thought that way before,

but now that's my thinking.

895

: 00:43:45

You, you understand what I'm saying?

896

: 00:43:46

And so I see how it's still every day,

something new is occurring that I'm like,

897

: 00:43:51

this is the effect of what happened.

898

: 00:43:53

And so.

899

: 00:43:54

you know, but it allows me

to be relatable to my people.

900

: 00:43:57

And so now I'm really

understanding, opening them,

901

: 00:44:01

seeing what things they need.

902

: 00:44:02

You know, most of them have came

back and, you know, most of them

903

: 00:44:06

is at the point where they just

like, you know, God brought him here

904

: 00:44:10

because this is a safe haven for him.

905

: 00:44:12

God knew that we would keep him

and God knew that he can get help.

906

: 00:44:15

Nothing happened.

907

: 00:44:16

And we're really trusting in God, you

know, by the same token, I know it

908

: 00:44:20

has to be some Residue because I got

residue and I'm about as strong as

909

: 00:44:25

anyone you're gonna find and I'm not

boasting But I'm just being honest,

910

: 00:44:28

but if I got residue they got residue

911

: 00:44:32

Tony Tidbit: Pastor tell the

audience specifically what

912

: 00:44:39

You know What donations, what resources

specifically that you need for your

913

: 00:44:45

church and your church members.

914

: 00:44:47

Chris P. Reed: And how

do we activate that?

915

: 00:44:49

Like what, what, yeah, absolutely.

916

: 00:44:50

Give him the pathways to make sure that

we can support you as a, as a African

917

: 00:44:55

American community, as a world community,

as a Christian community, how do we go

918

: 00:44:59

about supporting you, encouraging you

and making sure your guys, your people

919

: 00:45:03

get the assistance that they need and

the conversations that they need to have.

920

: 00:45:07

Rev Glenn Germany: Well, I thank y'all

for what you're doing now, because this

921

: 00:45:09

is an outlet for conversations, and

that's why, at this point, I haven't

922

: 00:45:14

turned down an interview, because of

the simple fact that this is something

923

: 00:45:17

that people need to hear, you know?

924

: 00:45:19

And my church is built around my theology.

925

: 00:45:23

And my, my life is my theology.

926

: 00:45:26

I live what I preach.

927

: 00:45:27

I practice what I preach in every aspect

of it is, you know, that's just how it is.

928

: 00:45:32

And the reason why I'm saying that

is because I'm reaching out to

929

: 00:45:35

people because like in my church,

I believe that God has gifted.

930

: 00:45:41

Everyone with their individual

gift and that gift have to

931

: 00:45:45

be given over to the kingdom.

932

: 00:45:47

You know what I'm saying?

933

: 00:45:49

We all don't have every gift and my

gift is teaching people the word of God.

934

: 00:45:53

My gift is helping people counsel.

935

: 00:45:55

I don't have the gift of understanding,

you know, like they asked me.

936

: 00:45:59

Okay.

937

: 00:46:00

What can we do as far as, you

know, how, you know, can you

938

: 00:46:02

give a vulnerability assessment?

939

: 00:46:05

Well, I'm not in security.

940

: 00:46:07

You need to have somebody who is skilled

in security, come, walk the building.

941

: 00:46:12

You know what grants are available.

942

: 00:46:14

You know what things are open.

943

: 00:46:16

I don't know what grants are available.

944

: 00:46:18

I'm focusing on pastor and

teaching, open up the word of God.

945

: 00:46:21

You know what I'm saying?

946

: 00:46:23

So my cry, and I'm asking

people, people who are gifted.

947

: 00:46:27

in writing, um, grants, people

who are gifted in understanding

948

: 00:46:32

what things are available.

949

: 00:46:34

I'm asking them, help me.

950

: 00:46:36

You know, I, I, I, I'm limited.

951

: 00:46:38

I'm not uneducated.

952

: 00:46:40

I'm well educated.

953

: 00:46:41

I'm street smart.

954

: 00:46:42

And so, you know, I comprehend very well.

955

: 00:46:45

And if you told me to do it, I can do it,

but with everything else I'm juggling,

956

: 00:46:49

it's not going to get done properly.

957

: 00:46:51

When there's people who do

this every day, who understand

958

: 00:46:54

every aspect of this, help us.

959

: 00:46:57

Just come and say, Hey, I want to help.

960

: 00:46:59

I can do that vulnerability

assessment that you need.

961

: 00:47:01

I can make sure you get

the grants you need.

962

: 00:47:03

We just wrote one for our church.

963

: 00:47:05

You know what I'm saying?

964

: 00:47:05

I know what type of resources y'all need

because I helped them through the same.

965

: 00:47:09

I need that type of people coming on

a board using their gift to help us.

966

: 00:47:13

My gift is to counsel the people,

make sure that they keep coming.

967

: 00:47:16

You know what I'm saying?

968

: 00:47:17

Keep them learning the word of God.

969

: 00:47:18

That's my gift.

970

: 00:47:19

And I try to stay in my lane.

971

: 00:47:21

You know, if I have to do something else,

then I, you know, I'm more than willing.

972

: 00:47:25

But something's going to be

missed, missing, because I'm

973

: 00:47:28

not doing this every day.

974

: 00:47:30

But for people who do things every day,

you know, we need extra funding for sure.

975

: 00:47:35

We need more resources for sure,

you know, and that always helps.

976

: 00:47:39

But at the same token, anyone

who understands this situation,

977

: 00:47:43

my cry to you is help us.

978

: 00:47:45

You know, this is something

that you deal with every day.

979

: 00:47:49

Help us.

980

: 00:47:50

Chris P. Reed: For those who have that

anointment, Pastor, how do they reach you?

981

: 00:47:54

Rev Glenn Germany: You can reach

us right through our website.

982

: 00:47:56

Um, it's

983

: 00:48:00

jesusdwellingplacechurch.

984

: 00:48:00

org.

985

: 00:48:01

You can reach us right on, uh, you can

look us up, Google us, and you'll see

986

: 00:48:05

our church address and our church phone

number, which is, you'll get strict, uh,

987

: 00:48:09

connected right to me, uh, 412 304 4338.

988

: 00:48:15

You know, you can, uh,

look on my Facebook page.

989

: 00:48:18

There's many ways if someone wanted to

reach out to help us, they can help us.

990

: 00:48:21

You know, I think the people who have

been helping us, but the people have

991

: 00:48:25

been helping us are people from like

my community who are on fixed incomes.

992

: 00:48:30

I'm getting $5 in the mail, $10 in

the mail, and I'm grateful for it.

993

: 00:48:34

Trust me.

994

: 00:48:35

And.

995

: 00:48:36

Our church is not, uh, we're not

one of them churches where we

996

: 00:48:39

beg for money and do something.

997

: 00:48:41

I mean, I'll just explain

this really quick.

998

: 00:48:43

At our church, we don't even

hand around an offering plate.

999

: 00:48:46

We keep a box in the back of our church.

: 1000

00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:50,745

You're looking, the box is

right to my right hand corner.

: 1001

00:48:50,755 --> 00:48:52,245

It stays on the side of the church.

: 1002

00:48:52,475 --> 00:48:55,195

You give, you do it before

church, you do it after church.

: 1003

00:48:55,345 --> 00:48:57,075

But we're not stopping service for giving.

: 1004

00:48:57,115 --> 00:48:59,465

Our focus is teaching

people the Word of God.

: 1005

00:48:59,695 --> 00:49:01,755

We go on different trips with our church.

: 1006

00:49:01,785 --> 00:49:02,945

We do activities.

: 1007

00:49:03,205 --> 00:49:06,355

Everything that we do is funded

100 percent by the church.

: 1008

00:49:06,595 --> 00:49:11,255

We take our, we went down Alabama,

Virginia, uh, New York, uh,

: 1009

00:49:11,315 --> 00:49:16,255

everywhere we go, Philadelphia, we

pay for the stay at the people stay.

: 1010

00:49:16,445 --> 00:49:17,635

We feed the people.

: 1011

00:49:17,665 --> 00:49:20,145

All you got to do is come everything.

: 1012

00:49:20,165 --> 00:49:23,695

If our people ever have need, we

don't check and see how much you gave.

: 1013

00:49:23,855 --> 00:49:24,909

If you have need.

: 1014

00:49:25,070 --> 00:49:25,820

Let us know.

: 1015

00:49:25,870 --> 00:49:26,750

We'll take care of it.

: 1016

00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,470

That's the type of church we are.

: 1017

00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:29,750

We're not churches.

: 1018

00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:30,290

We're begging.

: 1019

00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:32,840

God's been meeting our needs,

helping us all the time.

: 1020

00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:33,870

And I'm grateful.

: 1021

00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:37,270

So a lot of times I just be like,

God, I know you, you'll handle it.

: 1022

00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:40,989

But some of the time, if you don't speak

about it, nobody will know about it.

: 1023

00:49:40,990 --> 00:49:42,730

And so it has to be spoken about.

: 1024

00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:48,740

And so my ask, my cry is that people who

understand the situation, you know, Who

: 1025

00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:52,970

can know different things that we need

that I'm not able to see at this moment.

: 1026

00:49:53,330 --> 00:49:54,660

Please get involved.

: 1027

00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:58,350

Chris P. Reed: One of the pillars

of Christianity is charity.

: 1028

00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:03,380

And so my question to you is, of all

this, obviously the tragedy of you

: 1029

00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:07,720

guys not being adhered to by Uh, the

responders or the authorities to make

: 1030

00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:09,940

sure that you were secure is very tough.

: 1031

00:50:09,970 --> 00:50:14,860

The magnificence of God protecting

you and putting the cloak over you

: 1032

00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:18,340

to make sure you stayed alive to tell

this story and bring light to some

: 1033

00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:20,300

of these things is a wonderful deal.

: 1034

00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,870

But what would be one final thought that

you would want to leave with our listeners

: 1035

00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:28,610

or one thing that you'd like to say or

resonate above all with this conversation

: 1036

00:50:28,620 --> 00:50:29,790

we've been able to have with you today?

: 1037

00:50:31,075 --> 00:50:34,065

Rev Glenn Germany: The greatest thing I

would want to say to our, to people who

: 1038

00:50:34,065 --> 00:50:38,865

are listening, and to be honest, you know,

a lot of times focus on the incident, a

: 1039

00:50:38,865 --> 00:50:45,035

lot of times focus on the need, but the

greatest aspect is like, there's no sin

: 1040

00:50:45,045 --> 00:50:49,715

beyond God's redemption, you know, I want

people to understand, it don't matter

: 1041

00:50:49,715 --> 00:50:54,715

what someone done, we need to learn to

forgive one another, you know, give them

: 1042

00:50:54,755 --> 00:51:01,985

the, um, give them the opportunity, give

them the opportunity to know the Lord,

: 1043

00:51:01,985 --> 00:51:08,115

you know, And the greatest aspect is,

once again, I tell people all the time,

: 1044

00:51:08,115 --> 00:51:12,065

what they see on video was not a miracle,

and I'm not saying it wasn't a miracle,

: 1045

00:51:12,085 --> 00:51:18,195

it was, it can be argued that, you know,

scientifically, the gun jammed, and people

: 1046

00:51:18,195 --> 00:51:22,245

can, you know, say, well, it gun jammed

off an RA, I'm not going to argue that,

: 1047

00:51:22,245 --> 00:51:25,825

you don't want to say it's a miracle,

okay, I'm okay with it, but to be honest

: 1048

00:51:25,835 --> 00:51:30,835

with you, the greatest miracle that I ever

saw, and no one can argue, I know my past.

: 1049

00:51:31,265 --> 00:51:34,575

And God was able to take someone

like me with a past that I

: 1050

00:51:34,575 --> 00:51:36,385

had and actually save me.

: 1051

00:51:36,565 --> 00:51:40,345

And if he can save me and have me

here standing in my sound mind,

: 1052

00:51:40,515 --> 00:51:43,895

talking about how good he is,

he can do the same for anyone.

: 1053

00:51:44,285 --> 00:51:47,735

So my message to anyone is I don't

care where you are, who you are, I

: 1054

00:51:47,735 --> 00:51:49,065

don't care what you've been through.

: 1055

00:51:49,405 --> 00:51:52,575

There is no sin that is

greater than God's grace.

: 1056

00:51:52,935 --> 00:51:57,135

And God is willing and waiting

for you to repent and come home.

: 1057

00:51:58,535 --> 00:51:59,725

Tony Tidbit: Amen, my brother.

: 1058

00:51:59,795 --> 00:52:00,415

Amen.

: 1059

00:52:00,465 --> 00:52:03,325

Pastor Glenn, number one, my friend.

: 1060

00:52:03,655 --> 00:52:09,045

Um, I want to thank you for appearing on

a Black Executive Perspective podcast,

: 1061

00:52:09,525 --> 00:52:15,815

your love for your fellow human being,

your love for God is just instrumental.

: 1062

00:52:15,825 --> 00:52:17,665

It's, it's, it's just pouring out.

: 1063

00:52:17,945 --> 00:52:22,005

I can imagine what you've been

teaching your, your, your, your

: 1064

00:52:22,005 --> 00:52:25,485

members and the love that they

have for their fellow human being.

: 1065

00:52:25,735 --> 00:52:28,425

And I'm going to ask our audience,

because I learned this a long time ago.

: 1066

00:52:28,755 --> 00:52:30,295

How does God bless people?

: 1067

00:52:30,775 --> 00:52:31,455

Through people.

: 1068

00:52:32,175 --> 00:52:36,561

So I'm asking everyone who's listening

and watching this episode of a

: 1069

00:52:36,561 --> 00:52:38,164

Black Executive Perspective podcast.

: 1070

00:52:39,085 --> 00:52:44,425

And we're going to have their website

and their number up and please, from

: 1071

00:52:44,425 --> 00:52:47,595

the bottom of your heart, give, right?

: 1072

00:52:47,635 --> 00:52:51,735

As pastor stated, they don't,

they know what they know.

: 1073

00:52:52,325 --> 00:52:58,625

And at the end of the day, based on the

humanity, That they have shared and showed

: 1074

00:52:58,645 --> 00:53:04,445

in a very hostile situation, which could

have went a long way, a different way,

: 1075

00:53:04,735 --> 00:53:09,345

but the love that they continue to show,

not just the outside community of their

: 1076

00:53:09,345 --> 00:53:14,775

police force and, and emergency services,

but to the gunmen that tried to kill them.

: 1077

00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:19,910

They showed love and patience

and they turned the other cheek.

: 1078

00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:24,420

So I'm asking you and the Black Executive

Perspective podcast is going to make

: 1079

00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:27,060

a donation to Jesus Dwelling Church.

: 1080

00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:32,580

I'm asking you to also make a

donation and bless these people

: 1081

00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:34,520

as they have blessed the world.

: 1082

00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:38,780

Pastor Glenn, we want to thank you for

coming to a Black Executive Perspective.

: 1083

00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,700

We're going to have you come back because

we want to hear how things are going.

: 1084

00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:42,779

You're welcome.

: 1085

00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,810

Um, and more importantly, when

I'm in the Pittsburgh area, trust

: 1086

00:53:45,810 --> 00:53:48,660

me, my brother, I'm gonna come

and check out your church, right?

: 1087

00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:50,090

I love it.

: 1088

00:53:50,090 --> 00:53:52,680

And especially with the part

where the pastor, you can stop

: 1089

00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,390

the pastor and you hold on now.

: 1090

00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,900

I love that part, right?

: 1091

00:53:59,110 --> 00:54:03,660

But all, all, all jokes aside, my

friend, um, thank you for coming on.

: 1092

00:54:03,970 --> 00:54:08,400

This is a tragic event, but

to your point, God's love.

: 1093

00:54:08,735 --> 00:54:13,875

His wisdom always surpasses

any incident that we may have.

: 1094

00:54:13,875 --> 00:54:15,425

So thank you again for joining us.

: 1095

00:54:15,425 --> 00:54:17,525

Rev Glenn Germany: I appreciate it.

: 1096

00:54:17,535 --> 00:54:18,335

Thank you, Chris.

: 1097

00:54:18,355 --> 00:54:19,895

And thank you, Tony, for having me.

: 1098

00:54:20,155 --> 00:54:21,005

It's truly a blessing.

: 1099

00:54:21,035 --> 00:54:24,185

And we do plan on, well, I

do plan on being instrumental

: 1100

00:54:24,185 --> 00:54:25,065

in the young man's life.

: 1101

00:54:25,065 --> 00:54:28,035

I actually spoke with the

police officer, you know, and

: 1102

00:54:28,105 --> 00:54:29,605

I let them know my background.

: 1103

00:54:29,605 --> 00:54:33,005

I have an understanding and they told

me it's okay for me to contact him.

: 1104

00:54:33,315 --> 00:54:35,975

So I will be contacting him,

going to visit him and be

: 1105

00:54:35,985 --> 00:54:38,605

instrumental in his rehabilitation.

: 1106

00:54:38,605 --> 00:54:38,735

Thank you.

: 1107

00:54:39,635 --> 00:54:41,075

Tony Tidbit: That is

beautiful, my brother.

: 1108

00:54:41,205 --> 00:54:42,095

That is beautiful.

: 1109

00:54:42,095 --> 00:54:43,045

So thank you.

: 1110

00:54:43,605 --> 00:54:45,325

So I think it's now time for

: 1111

00:54:45,385 --> 00:54:46,255

BEP Narrator: Tony's

: 1112

00:54:46,465 --> 00:54:47,075

Tidbit.

: 1113

00:54:47,075 --> 00:54:47,375

Tony Tidbit: It's time

: 1114

00:54:47,375 --> 00:54:48,635

for Tony's Tidbit.

: 1115

00:54:48,915 --> 00:54:52,535

And the tidbit, as always, epitomizes

what we talked about today.

: 1116

00:54:53,555 --> 00:54:57,875

Divine intervention does not always

come in the form of miracles.

: 1117

00:54:58,525 --> 00:55:04,495

Sometimes it is seen in the courage

of everyday heroes among us.

: 1118

00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:11,750

And this, uh, tidbit epitomizes the

church of Jesus dwelling because everybody

: 1119

00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:16,300

there rose to the occasion and they

rose to the occasion because of how

: 1120

00:55:16,310 --> 00:55:20,760

Pastor Glenn has helped them open their

eyes and learn more about the Lord.

: 1121

00:55:20,770 --> 00:55:22,300

So we want to thank you.

: 1122

00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:26,450

Chris P. Reed: It's also time

in our weekly segment for

: 1123

00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:27,840

Need to Know with Nsenga.

: 1124

00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:30,720

Nsenga, what do you feel like

we need to know this week?

: 1125

00:55:31,380 --> 00:55:35,040

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Hello and

welcome to Need to Know with Nsenga.

: 1126

00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,620

Thank you for joining me today.

: 1127

00:55:36,620 --> 00:55:36,940

I'm Dr.

: 1128

00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:37,920

Nsenga Burton.

: 1129

00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:40,670

I am a scholar.

: 1130

00:55:40,990 --> 00:55:45,220

An activist, uh, and someone

who knows a little bit, an ex,

: 1131

00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:47,200

an expert in intersectionality.

: 1132

00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,840

That's the intersection of race,

class, gender, sexuality as it

: 1133

00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,340

relates to media industries.

: 1134

00:55:51,550 --> 00:55:56,950

Today I wanna talk about Congresswoman

Jasmine Crockett and the iconic,

: 1135

00:55:57,010 --> 00:56:02,800

beautiful, and lovely and very talented,

uh, and accomplished Kelly Rowland.

: 1136

00:56:03,010 --> 00:56:04,150

Um, of course.

: 1137

00:56:04,685 --> 00:56:08,515

One third of Destiny's Child,

solo artist, a mom, wife, all the

: 1138

00:56:08,525 --> 00:56:12,885

things, and this angry black woman

stereotype that black women have to

: 1139

00:56:12,885 --> 00:56:16,205

face, especially black executive.

: 1140

00:56:16,355 --> 00:56:18,505

This is something I've

faced in my own career.

: 1141

00:56:18,515 --> 00:56:22,225

When you are a dynamic black woman

who is in complete control of

: 1142

00:56:22,225 --> 00:56:29,460

herself and is competent in your

job and usually has performance that

: 1143

00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:34,750

exceeds that of others, you are often

dubbed as the angry black woman.

: 1144

00:56:35,070 --> 00:56:37,690

I've experienced this

myself in the workplace.

: 1145

00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:41,340

I've been told to make myself smaller

so that other people, particularly

: 1146

00:56:41,350 --> 00:56:45,150

men, um, aren't afraid of me.

: 1147

00:56:45,550 --> 00:56:48,200

Other women aren't afraid of me.

: 1148

00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,470

I've said something to a staff member,

Um, you know, a support staff member,

: 1149

00:56:53,470 --> 00:56:56,980

I'll say it and they won't hear it

or if they push back, but if, you

: 1150

00:56:56,980 --> 00:57:01,980

know, someone with a testicle says it,

then they will jump to it right away.

: 1151

00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,310

So it's not just men who malign,

um, or dismiss, um, Um, or who

: 1152

00:57:07,310 --> 00:57:10,540

require women to be less than.

: 1153

00:57:10,830 --> 00:57:13,670

And so I want to talk about this in

the context of what happened with

: 1154

00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:19,300

Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett and, uh,

Kelly Rowland, who of course is an icon,

: 1155

00:57:19,810 --> 00:57:24,510

um, of many, in many ways, but you know,

one third of Destiny's Child, one of the

: 1156

00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:27,460

bestselling bands, groups of all time.

: 1157

00:57:28,825 --> 00:57:33,335

So if you've been living under a

rock this week, um, a Congresswoman,

: 1158

00:57:33,355 --> 00:57:37,225

Jasmine Crockett, she's Congresswoman

from Texas, uh, got into it.

: 1159

00:57:37,305 --> 00:57:41,895

And I just say, got into it, uh, is,

uh, Marjorie Taylor Greene who is a

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Congresswoman from Georgia where I live.

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00:57:44,255 --> 00:57:47,975

Marjorie Taylor Greene does what

Marjorie Taylor Greene is allowed to do.

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00:57:48,305 --> 00:57:51,055

Attacked her personally, uh,

attacked Jasmine Crockett

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00:57:51,095 --> 00:57:55,005

personally about her appearance,

um, talking about her eyelashes.

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00:57:55,035 --> 00:57:56,205

And then Jasmine.

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00:57:56,395 --> 00:57:57,645

Crockett went in on her.

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00:57:57,705 --> 00:58:04,245

The response has been, Oh my gosh, look at

these two women debasing themselves, look

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00:58:04,245 --> 00:58:09,375

at these two women, you know, and with

people equating what one did to the other.

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So Marjorie Taylor Greene

literally attacked this woman.

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00:58:13,735 --> 00:58:18,585

The expectation though, and this is the

expectation of black executive women is

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for Jasmine Crockett to ignore, dismiss,

and, Or just take whatever Marjorie

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00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,240

Taylor Greene and her cronies give

her without standing up for herself.

: 1172

00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,590

That is actually a requirement.

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00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:36,380

Whether HR admits it or not.

: 1174

00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,200

A requirement for dynamic black women.

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00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:45,220

In executive spaces, the same Kelly

Rowland was spoken to in a way that

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she thought was unprofessional and

inappropriate, uh, as she was attending

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00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:52,580

the red carpet at the con film festival.

: 1178

00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:57,410

When I tell you, my colleagues in the

media have been trying desperately to

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00:58:57,410 --> 00:59:01,680

paint this woman as a difficult person

because she actually stood up for herself

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to a subordinate, a support staff member.

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00:59:06,255 --> 00:59:10,615

Is just spot on for what we talk

about when we talk about the

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00:59:10,615 --> 00:59:12,075

angry black woman stereotype.

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00:59:12,635 --> 00:59:16,845

So it's like, as long as you're doing it

with a smile, being a dynamic black woman,

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00:59:17,185 --> 00:59:23,905

you're willing to, um, dismiss people's

microaggressions, macroaggressions, any

: 1185

00:59:23,905 --> 00:59:28,065

type of aggressive behavior against you at

any level, it doesn't have to be a boss.

: 1186

00:59:28,105 --> 00:59:33,005

It can be a support staff, someone

who reports to you at any level, then

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00:59:33,015 --> 00:59:35,455

you are labeled an angry black woman.

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00:59:36,290 --> 00:59:41,820

I'd like to remind people that Jasmine

Crockett Is a Congresswoman, a Congress

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00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:44,520

person who is actually in Congress.

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00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:48,640

Congress is a workplace,

so she should be afforded.

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00:59:49,260 --> 00:59:53,490

The same level of professionalism that

everyone else has afforded in Congress.

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00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:57,130

Now, you know, if you watch Congress,

we are in a downward spiral.

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00:59:57,590 --> 01:00:00,250

Uh, there's no real decorum anymore.

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01:00:00,350 --> 01:00:04,270

Um, you know, the people who are in

Congress, many who have been elected,

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01:00:04,660 --> 01:00:08,890

um, I just do not conduct themselves

with any type of professionalism.

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01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,980

Um, they seem to have no

knowledge of how Congress works.

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01:00:12,030 --> 01:00:14,840

And I do believe that Marjorie

Taylor Greene is one of these people.

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01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:20,050

Um, they have no interest in learning

how the process works and, and I live

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01:00:20,050 --> 01:00:23,580

in Georgia, by the way, so I can say

this, they appear to have no interest

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01:00:23,580 --> 01:00:27,030

in how Congress works so that they

can get with the people of Georgia

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01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:29,480

who have elected them, um, to office.

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01:00:30,865 --> 01:00:36,155

And so, you know, when you are

incompetent, when you are out of your

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01:00:36,155 --> 01:00:41,165

league, uh, when you are not prepared

for meetings and such, um, the same

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01:00:41,165 --> 01:00:44,165

thing that happens in workplaces to the

rest of us is what happens in Congress.

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01:00:44,215 --> 01:00:48,665

You have a colleague who wants to

deflect from them being unprepared

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01:00:48,945 --> 01:00:54,225

or not really, you know, present

intellectually present, um, or just

: 1207

01:00:54,225 --> 01:00:59,745

not really willing to, uh, learn the

norms of the office or how things work.

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01:01:00,175 --> 01:01:03,835

And so they lash out in different

ways and they elevate behaviors

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01:01:03,885 --> 01:01:06,565

based on stereotypes about others, i.

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01:01:06,565 --> 01:01:06,705

e.

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black women.

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So instead of people saying, Oh

my gosh, Marjorie Taylor Greene

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01:01:11,325 --> 01:01:13,525

insulted that woman in the workplace.

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01:01:14,265 --> 01:01:16,705

Something should be done about

this because it is a pattern of

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01:01:16,705 --> 01:01:18,165

behavior for Marjorie Taylor Greene.

: 1216

01:01:18,505 --> 01:01:21,215

It becomes Jasmine Crockett

should have taken the high road.

: 1217

01:01:22,025 --> 01:01:27,405

So my question is, how long are

black women, especially dynamic black

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01:01:27,405 --> 01:01:29,245

women, expected to take the high road?

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01:01:29,715 --> 01:01:34,185

And when you don't take the high road,

why do we have to be punished when

: 1220

01:01:34,185 --> 01:01:38,955

we are standing up for ourselves,

defending ourselves, or just giving

: 1221

01:01:38,955 --> 01:01:41,035

the same energy that was given to us?

: 1222

01:01:41,105 --> 01:01:45,015

Why does it, why is the onus

on us to be the bigger person?

: 1223

01:01:45,085 --> 01:01:47,735

And I know this sounds like middle

school, but if you look at Congress

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01:01:47,735 --> 01:01:49,560

today, It looks like middle school.

: 1225

01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:50,550

All right.

: 1226

01:01:50,850 --> 01:01:52,890

So yeah, we want to be Michelle Obama.

: 1227

01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:56,330

When they go low, we go high,

but in real life, we know

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01:01:56,330 --> 01:01:57,570

that that doesn't always work.

: 1229

01:01:57,860 --> 01:02:02,090

And the assumption that Jasmine

Crockett has not tried to go high as

: 1230

01:02:02,090 --> 01:02:06,835

it relates to Marjorie Greene Taylor

and her cronies is also rooted.

: 1231

01:02:07,175 --> 01:02:12,665

Uh, in this, uh, racist and sexist, I

would say misogy misogynoir ideology

: 1232

01:02:12,685 --> 01:02:14,635

about black women executives.

: 1233

01:02:14,845 --> 01:02:16,795

And I say the same thing

with Kelly Rowland.

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01:02:17,115 --> 01:02:21,515

Um, the, the idea that she's difficult

when she has had, I mean, 30 year

: 1235

01:02:21,515 --> 01:02:26,015

career that has said everything but

the opposite, has said the opposite

: 1236

01:02:26,345 --> 01:02:29,545

of, uh, her being difficult is asinine.

: 1237

01:02:29,615 --> 01:02:30,875

So to try to.

: 1238

01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,740

Make it so that as she rises as

an individual, um, in her acclaim,

: 1239

01:02:36,910 --> 01:02:39,730

even though we all know she's

highly acclaimed, right, if, if you

: 1240

01:02:40,100 --> 01:02:43,980

follow her career, you know, she's

highly acclaimed, um, and this.

: 1241

01:02:44,585 --> 01:02:50,995

What appears to be this clear intention

to make her out to be this angry black

: 1242

01:02:50,995 --> 01:02:56,165

woman is really telling more about

us as a society than it is about her.

: 1243

01:02:56,265 --> 01:03:00,255

And I'd also like to remind people

that celebrities are in the workplace

: 1244

01:03:00,255 --> 01:03:01,355

when they're on the red carpet.

: 1245

01:03:01,525 --> 01:03:05,085

They're not there just having fun so that

you can go and do like, who's the best

: 1246

01:03:05,085 --> 01:03:08,145

dress, who's the worst dress, who had

the best that, and that that's for you.

: 1247

01:03:09,105 --> 01:03:10,035

They are at work.

: 1248

01:03:10,065 --> 01:03:13,335

They are showing up because they have

been obligated to show up, right?

: 1249

01:03:13,365 --> 01:03:14,885

It's all part of an industry.

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01:03:14,885 --> 01:03:16,125

It's all part of a system.

: 1251

01:03:16,435 --> 01:03:17,285

So she is at work.

: 1252

01:03:17,285 --> 01:03:19,715

She's in the workplace

and she's Kelly Rowland.

: 1253

01:03:19,815 --> 01:03:22,205

They all need to stop pretending

that she's like just some woman

: 1254

01:03:22,395 --> 01:03:23,795

rolling up on the red carpet.

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01:03:23,795 --> 01:03:26,655

If you're on the Canne red

carpet, you are a significant

: 1256

01:03:26,655 --> 01:03:28,255

figure in entertainment, period.

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01:03:28,415 --> 01:03:30,535

If you are significant figure

in entertainment, period.

: 1258

01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,640

You should be treated a certain way.

: 1259

01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:35,480

And the baseline is professionalism.

: 1260

01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:39,470

So no, you know, I don't know what

transpired where she had to tell

: 1261

01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:40,860

him, don't talk to me that way.

: 1262

01:03:41,530 --> 01:03:43,410

He touched her a couple of times.

: 1263

01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:46,880

If you saw the video, um, I don't

even know why that's appropriate.

: 1264

01:03:47,235 --> 01:03:48,245

You know, all the touching.

: 1265

01:03:48,785 --> 01:03:51,795

Um, if you touch people, sometimes

it sets them off, they're triggered.

: 1266

01:03:51,825 --> 01:03:53,605

They've had other

experiences or what have you.

: 1267

01:03:53,995 --> 01:03:55,765

That is professionalism one on one.

: 1268

01:03:55,785 --> 01:03:59,435

Do not touch another person in the

office, you know, in kindness or

: 1269

01:03:59,435 --> 01:04:01,245

in hate, just don't touch them.

: 1270

01:04:01,755 --> 01:04:02,205

Right.

: 1271

01:04:02,465 --> 01:04:06,955

Um, so when we think about these

things, Congress, when we think about

: 1272

01:04:07,005 --> 01:04:08,695

the red carpet, they are workplaces.

: 1273

01:04:08,765 --> 01:04:13,695

These are where black executive

professional people in general, uh,

: 1274

01:04:13,695 --> 01:04:15,685

women specifically in this instance.

: 1275

01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,490

Uh, exist and so they should be

treated with the same respect

: 1276

01:04:22,020 --> 01:04:25,390

and decorum as everyone else.

: 1277

01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:30,180

And when those lines are crossed,

they should not be expected to

: 1278

01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:33,190

not stand up for themselves, which

is what people want us to do.

: 1279

01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:34,520

Right.

: 1280

01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,130

And when you do stand up for

yourself, you are labeled difficult.

: 1281

01:04:38,529 --> 01:04:40,540

Oh, we need to have a

change in leadership.

: 1282

01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:44,060

You know, even though this person is

getting all the things done that we

: 1283

01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:46,870

need them to get done, which is why

they've been invited to be on the

: 1284

01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:51,340

con, the Canne red carpet, or which is

why they're been elected to Congress.

: 1285

01:04:51,630 --> 01:04:54,040

Um, we still need you to make

yourself smaller so that other

: 1286

01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,300

people feel okay about themselves.

: 1287

01:04:57,275 --> 01:05:00,815

We still need you to take the, uh,

the higher road so that we can ignore

: 1288

01:05:00,815 --> 01:05:05,805

all the misogyny, all the white

supremacy, all the patriarchy that

: 1289

01:05:05,805 --> 01:05:09,654

is being thrown at you, um, in these

particular spaces that are hostile to us.

: 1290

01:05:09,895 --> 01:05:14,265

And my last point is this, in a

world where we're literally erasing

: 1291

01:05:14,265 --> 01:05:19,105

black people in general, brown people

too, black and brown people, um,

: 1292

01:05:19,165 --> 01:05:25,515

immigrant people, um, from history

books for the comfort of white people.

: 1293

01:05:26,285 --> 01:05:28,425

Because that's really the

reason that was given, right?

: 1294

01:05:28,425 --> 01:05:31,695

It wasn't for any other reason

other than the comfort, right?

: 1295

01:05:31,725 --> 01:05:34,285

Oh my God, my students,

my kids are uncomfortable.

: 1296

01:05:34,515 --> 01:05:36,145

People are uncomfortable

talking about this.

: 1297

01:05:36,615 --> 01:05:40,295

When are we going to start thinking

about Black women's comfortability?

: 1298

01:05:41,745 --> 01:05:43,355

When do we get to be comfortable?

: 1299

01:05:44,415 --> 01:05:45,995

In the workplace question.

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01:05:47,175 --> 01:05:47,965

Have a great day.

: 1301

01:05:48,565 --> 01:05:48,975

Chris P. Reed: Thank you.

: 1302

01:05:48,975 --> 01:05:49,455

Nsenga.

: 1303

01:05:49,675 --> 01:05:51,735

That was a great word and

it's going to go a long way.

: 1304

01:05:51,795 --> 01:05:53,045

We truly appreciate it.

: 1305

01:05:53,555 --> 01:05:54,185

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

: 1306

01:05:54,185 --> 01:05:55,395

That was some great information.

: 1307

01:05:55,395 --> 01:05:55,735

Nsenga.

: 1308

01:05:55,755 --> 01:05:56,445

Thanks a lot.

: 1309

01:05:56,615 --> 01:06:02,635

So I hope everyone has enjoyed our episode

today, 20 minutes too late, a church

: 1310

01:06:02,635 --> 01:06:05,775

crisis and the delayed police response.

: 1311

01:06:06,395 --> 01:06:12,000

So I think it's now time for our call

to action and our call to action to

: 1312

01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:19,500

L E S S, and we want everyone to

incorporate this call to action.

: 1313

01:06:19,870 --> 01:06:21,360

L stands for learn.

: 1314

01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:25,900

We want everyone to learn about

different people, different races.

: 1315

01:06:25,980 --> 01:06:29,890

This way you can enlighten yourself

and become more emboldened to

: 1316

01:06:29,890 --> 01:06:33,170

meeting new individuals and

accepting new circumstances.

: 1317

01:06:34,135 --> 01:06:37,685

Chris P. Reed: And the E, it stands

for empathy to understand the diverse

: 1318

01:06:37,705 --> 01:06:42,255

perspective and make sure things are

not only non denominational, but no

: 1319

01:06:42,255 --> 01:06:46,005

denominational as it relates to the

perspective that people can provide.

: 1320

01:06:47,185 --> 01:06:47,865

Tony Tidbit: Exactly.

: 1321

01:06:47,865 --> 01:06:49,845

And then S stands for share.

: 1322

01:06:50,145 --> 01:06:54,445

Now you want to share what you've

learned to your friends and family so

: 1323

01:06:54,445 --> 01:06:56,365

they can become enlightened as well.

: 1324

01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,380

Chris P. Reed: And then

the S stands for stop.

: 1325

01:06:59,450 --> 01:07:00,760

The second S is for stop.

: 1326

01:07:00,790 --> 01:07:05,830

Cause we want to actively stop the work

of discrimination and foster inclusivity.

: 1327

01:07:06,110 --> 01:07:10,610

We want to make sure that we check

those who are being exclusive and who

: 1328

01:07:10,610 --> 01:07:12,560

are being discriminatory in their ways.

: 1329

01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,660

And at the dinner table, at the, at

the, uh, opportunities at the water

: 1330

01:07:16,660 --> 01:07:19,720

cooler, make sure if you see something,

you say something that correct these

: 1331

01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,420

people because we learn from each other.

: 1332

01:07:22,910 --> 01:07:26,270

Tony Tidbit: And by doing this,

when we all can go ahead and move

: 1333

01:07:26,279 --> 01:07:27,670

forward, this call to action.

: 1334

01:07:27,995 --> 01:07:28,465

Guess what?

: 1335

01:07:28,465 --> 01:07:32,015

We're going to make a more fair,

more understanding world, and

: 1336

01:07:32,015 --> 01:07:35,595

we're going to be able to see

the change that we want to see.

: 1337

01:07:35,805 --> 01:07:38,180

So everyone, incorporate less, make more.

: 1338

01:07:38,540 --> 01:07:38,960

L.

: 1339

01:07:39,050 --> 01:07:39,450

E.

: 1340

01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:40,040

S.

: 1341

01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:40,590

S.

: 1342

01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,840

So more importantly, we want to thank

you for joining another episode of a

: 1343

01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,970

Black Executive Perspective podcast.

: 1344

01:07:47,380 --> 01:07:52,420

Uh, again, 20 minutes too late, a church

crisis and a delayed police response.

: 1345

01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,410

Chris P. Reed: Make sure we're talking

before we get out of here, make

: 1346

01:07:55,410 --> 01:07:58,160

sure that you guys go to the website

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: 1347

01:07:58,420 --> 01:08:01,620

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: 1348

01:08:01,620 --> 01:08:04,610

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: 1349

01:08:04,610 --> 01:08:08,430

should be addressing, make sure you leave

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: 1350

01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,250

And hopefully it's something that we

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: 1351

01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:12,600

Tony Tidbit: Yes.

: 1352

01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,790

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: 1353

01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,370

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: 1354

01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:23,279

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: 1355

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: 1356

01:08:30,220 --> 01:08:34,795

For our fabulous guests, Pastor

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: 1357

01:08:34,805 --> 01:08:36,955

for joining for my man, Chris P.

: 1358

01:08:36,955 --> 01:08:38,625

Reed, give him a shout out, Chris,

: 1359

01:08:40,955 --> 01:08:43,654

Chris P. Reed: man, appreciate

all the people, all of the love.

: 1360

01:08:43,684 --> 01:08:48,535

And this is just a, the epitome of

what, um, good people are about what

: 1361

01:08:48,535 --> 01:08:50,104

this man has talked about today.

: 1362

01:08:50,104 --> 01:08:52,995

And I think it'll fill a lot

of our viewers with the spirit

: 1363

01:08:53,005 --> 01:08:54,390

and hopefully move them.

: 1364

01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:58,010

To be charitable and to be understanding

and to be patient and to accept the

: 1365

01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:59,220

grace that they have before them.

: 1366

01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:00,979

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

: 1367

01:09:01,180 --> 01:09:05,830

And then for our producer, Noel

Miller, who is working behind the

: 1368

01:09:05,830 --> 01:09:07,899

glass to make this all possible.

: 1369

01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:09,609

I'm Tony Tidbit.

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01:09:09,970 --> 01:09:11,029

We talked about it.

: 1371

01:09:11,260 --> 01:09:13,040

We love you and we're out.

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