Why Black & Hispanic Voters Backed Trump, and Now Face Musk’s Government Purge.

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I, I still understand what you're saying.

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What am I, what is he lying about?

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That he killed his dog?

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No, no,

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Tony Tidbit: no, no, no.

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So, so Kev, you know,

Trump, so Trump doesn't lie.

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Kevin Jenkins: No, he doesn't.

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All of them lie.

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Biden lies.

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Obama lies.

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Everybody lies.

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I mean, come on, everybody embellishes.

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Come on, you've been in politics.

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Come on, put up with the bullshit.

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You've been in politics.

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Are you telling me I've been

in politics all my damn life?

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They lie.

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And today our round table is going to

weigh on a surprising shift of black

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and Hispanic voters backing Donald

Trump in: 2024

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now or feeling the heat, I should

say from Elon Musk's, department of

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government efficiency layoffs, did

these voters gamble on Trump's promises?

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Only to find themselves caught

up in Musk's government shake up

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while our round table is going to

provide their perspectives today.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Let me give a little bit of background

insight introduce our round table.

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So today we have some posthumous guests

with us First we'd like to start with

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the multi hyphenated award winning dr

Nsenga Burton near and dear to my heart

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and uh the renowned the renowned media

scholar journalist and cultural critic.

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Dr Burton Welcome to pull up speak up.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton:

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Thank you.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Next we have Louis Rivera,

author and publisher, and his

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latest book is After Dallas.

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Louis.

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Welcome to pull up speak up.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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And then rounding out the panel is Mr.

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Kevin Jenkins of counsel

at right turn strategies.

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Kevin, welcome to pull up speak up.

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Tony Tidbit: Well, listen, guys, I'm

excited to talk about these topics

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and obviously, you know, Dr Nsenga

Burton has been on before, but Kevin

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and Louis, this is your 1st time

you guys and look based on what

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you guys got going on in the world.

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You very busy.

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Oh, nine yards.

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I want to ask you guys a question.

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I'll start with you, Kevin first.

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And then same question to you, Louis, you

know, based on your busy schedule, why

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did you want to join the pull up speak up

round table to talk about these topics?

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Kevin Jenkins: Well, I've been having

conversations for the last several

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years with groups like this, and I've

seen a lot of great things happen.

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A lot of people come together.

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We have difference of opinion, but

we all feel that one thing that

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we need to do is get our group

together and move towards the future.

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So anytime I have an opportunity

to talk to great people like

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yourself, I'm in because I'm always

learning something as I'm speaking.

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I'm learning something from them too.

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So it's a great thing.

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Tony Tidbit: Awesome, my friend.

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Louis?

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Louis Riveria: I think like Kevin,

um, I've been discussing these

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issues for, for quite some time.

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Um, and I think now more than ever,

it's important to, um, to just dive in

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and get into these kinds of dialogues.

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One, to learn things, but also to

sort of check our own Uh, perspective,

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uh, out on, on what's happening and

things are, are, are disruptive.

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There's a lot of disinformation

out, uh, uh, in media and it's good

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to be able to, again, check, check

your perspective and perhaps learn

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some new things along the way.

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Tony Tidbit: Awesome, buddy.

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Thanks for that.

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Chris P. Reed:

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So we have an enlightened and passionate

group of folks here on the panel, and

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we'd like to remind these folks and the

audience of some of the ground rules that

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we have to create that type of dialogue.

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You guys just spoke up and

I'll go through the rules.

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1 through 10 here real quick for everyone.

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Number 1 respect all voices.

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Number two, listen actively number three.

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No personal attacks.

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We want to keep it civil

as much as possible.

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Number four, avoid number

four, avoid interrupting people

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cook when they get a chance.

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Number five.

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Stay open minded.

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Number six, speak from

your own experience.

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The worst thing we could do here is say

you heard a story from some third hand,

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fourth party individual that hasn't

been validated that you don't have any

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actual information on because like Louis

just said, a lot of misinformation is

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about Number, uh, seven, stay on topic.

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We got a short amount of time to

get a lot of things out there.

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So we got to make sure

that this flows tightly.

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Uh, number eight, follow the time

limits to reinforce number seven, number

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nine, challenge ideas and not people.

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We're not going to devolve this into

personal attacks and turn this into

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a, uh, joint chief of staffs meeting.

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Number 10, no, but whenever, whenever

you interject the button to something,

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someone just said, it tends to

devalue a bit of what they provided.

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So if we could help it, no butts.

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And if we follow those rules, we'll have

a very safe and pleasant conversation.

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Tony Tidbit: All right, guys.

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Can I get a thumbs up from everyone?

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All right, this is a safe space, so

pull up, speak up, let's dive into it.

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It's a group of voters

that was the focus of

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News Host: both presidential campaigns.

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Kevin Jenkins: I love the black population

of this country, I've done so much for

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the black population of this country.

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News Host: From visits to black

churches to specific policy proposals,

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President elect Donald Trump and Vice

President Kamala Harris repeatedly made

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direct appeals to African Americans.

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Across the country on Election Day,

Harris received almost the same

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amount of support from black voters

as President Biden did in: 2020

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But NBC News exit polls show that

Trump made some inroads, gaining

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ground among black voters in North

Carolina and more than doubling his

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support from black voters in Wisconsin.

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Chris P. Reed:

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So To kick this off, I'm going to go to

you first, Kevin, with this question.

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And obviously one of the main focal points

of the campaign was economic priorities in

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the economy and things like that nature.

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But obviously we have some

actual tangible history with

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this, with Donald Trump, right?

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We we've been there before

we've seen this movie.

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So in the idea of what became more

prevalent in the mind of the voters.

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What do you believe outweigh the

concerns of his racist, racial rhetoric

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or racist behavior or however, uh,

you saw that in his first term, uh,

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to actually align with people who

were concerned about the economy?

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Kevin Jenkins: I believe people

were concerned about themselves.

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I mean.

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Supporting the democratic party

and or the Republican party.

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It was about them.

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It was not about the party agenda.

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It was not about their personal agenda.

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I think people are sick and

tired of being sick and tired and

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they're looking for alternatives.

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The democratic party has not been a

friend to black Americans since its

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inception, so we have to deal with that

reality and what Trump has been saying all

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along, listen, I can negotiate with you.

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We, you might get a better return

on your investment if you come over

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and talk to us, but we've given 98.

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9 percent of our power to a

group that's been anti us.

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And I think people are sick and tired of

it and they're looking for alternatives.

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And I think in the near future is

only going to get worse because

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people want to hear about what

you're going to do for them.

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So I think there's going to be

a seismic shift in the next year

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that like we've never seen before.

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So just look for

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Chris P. Reed:

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what would you go ahead, Tony?

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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Chris.

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I was just gonna ask Dr Burton.

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What would you say to that?

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Because your eyebrow went up when

he's when he made that statement.

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And I want to, I want to, I

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Dr. Nsenga Burton:

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do agree with Kevin.

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I think that voters are getting younger.

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We're aging out and that

they are looking for.

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There are need to be spoken to directly

in a way that people who are in our

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generation and above our generation

are able to understand how policies

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impact more than just 1 group.

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I disagree with the statement that

Democrats haven't done anything

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for black since their inception.

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That is not.

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Uh, true.

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But what I do think Kevin is saying, and

I'm not trying to, uh, woman's blame you.

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But what I do think that he's

saying, um, what I do think that he's

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saying is that Democrats appeal to

lots of different types of groups.

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And when you are not the

central focus of the group.

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Um, and people aren't speaking to you

directly, then, then you may feel that,

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you know, something, you know, the

policies are not going to impact you.

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But if you have, uh, the majority of an

aging population has diabetes in your

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group, and it has been capped at 35,

that is, in fact, helping black people,

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if you have a policy that's going to

stop price gouging at grocery stores.

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And that is going to impact black people.

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It's going to help everyone, but

that will impact and help black

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people as well at the grocery store.

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So, um, I do agree with Kevin in the

sense that people want to be, you know,

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people are curating their own experiences.

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Now, we're just communicating differently.

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We're living differently.

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We're living and increasingly mediated.

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Uh, society, and I think that

people are more easily influenced

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by misinformation and disinformation

and that unless you say, listen,

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Kevin, I'm doing this for Kevin

Jenkins, a lot of people don't get it.

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They don't understand how policies

impact more than 1 group, and that

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you will be a beneficiary of it.

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Even if they don't call your name.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Let me ask this before

we move on from that.

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And this again, I want to stay with you.

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Um, it sounds like you believe that

the next generation or, or who's up

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now needs to be coddled and is politics

a place where people can be coddled.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton:

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Oh, no, I don't think

they should be coddled.

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I'm actually it's the opposite.

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I'm disgusted.

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Um, yeah, because I don't

think you need to be coddled.

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I think that you should be able to make

your own decisions and you should be

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able to make those deductions based

on critical thinking and information.

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But because we have been anti

intellectual for a long time.

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So I agree with Kevin.

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I hope Kevin agrees with me on that

for a long time, particularly as

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it relates to African Americans,

but being anti intellectual and

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we have done so much damage to the

public school public education.

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I'm here in the United States where

we're just no longer competitive and the

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Cuts that they keep talking about are

going to make us even less competitive.

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Um, I think it's really hard for

people to think critically and engage

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critically and to understand, uh,

what they need to understand, which

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is they may not call your name,

but if you understand the platform

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and the policy, you can see where.

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You fall in and where you will get

help and where you will get hurt.

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And that's why we have people right now,

um, who are like, Oh my God, I voted

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for Trump and I lost my job because they

don't think critically, they didn't pay

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attention, they didn't read the ink at

the bottom and they didn't think he was

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going to follow through and they didn't

follow what he was actually saying.

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And see what he was

actually doing in: 2016

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So had they done that and read his

platform, then they would have known,

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but they didn't because they wanted to

believe their own curated experiences.

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And he's talking directly to me and he was

not even talking about them or Tuesday.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

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You know, so both of you

guys, thank you for that.

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The one of the things though, it

wasn't just the black population.

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that Trump saw an increase in his numbers.

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News Host: while a majority of black

and Latino voters turned out for

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Vice President Kamala Harris in this

election, President elect Donald

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Trump made significant inroads with

both groups, especially Latinos,

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to help him secure the White House.

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Voter surveys from the Associated Press.

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Show that the president elect won 43

percent of the overall Latino vote.

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That's an 8 point increase from 2020.

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And this year, 48 percent of Latino

men voted for Minister Trump.

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Tony Tidbit: So, Louis, you know, one of

the things is, and, and, you know, it's

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kind of interesting, you know, when we're

just talking about black voters, when

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we look at the percentage, Trump really,

overall, nationwide, increased his, uh,

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uh, percentage from 2020 to 2024 by 1%.

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When it came to black voter.

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Okay.

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However, when it came to Hispanic

voter, it went up substantially 46

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percent where I believe in 2020 was 36%.

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And then even with Asians,

it went up substantially.

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So, let's hear from your point of view.

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Why do you think?

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That is increased.

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I believe if I looked at the numbers, it

was 13 percent that Hispanics increased

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voting for Trump in 2024 versus 2020.

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Louis Riveria: I have no idea.

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I'm just here to listen to you guys.

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Uh, I'm just kidding.

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A couple of things I'd say.

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First of all, when we're referring

to Hispanic voters, I think it's

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important to understand that

they're not a homogenous group.

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And I think that that's

increasingly true of black voters.

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Also, um, people vote according

to their own experience as there's

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more upward mobility in all these

communities, their priorities change.

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So that's, yeah.

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That's 1 point that I think is

important to keep in mind when

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we're talking about hispanic voters.

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The other thing I wanted to address

is just strategically where the

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democratic party is they, um, if your

brand is to advocate for marginalized

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people, um, by definition, um,

you're going to be focusing on.

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Um, marginal, uh, issues or or smaller

segments of the population, uh, whether

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it's an LGBTQ, uh, rights issue, um,

whether it's extreme poverty, so those.

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Those issues are, are aimed at, or that

advocacy is aimed at a very specific

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segment of the population that not might

not translate across, uh, across a broader

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numbers, um, or might not resonate with,

with, with, with, with larger groups.

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The 1 thing that I'll say about the

Hispanic population is that, um,

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they are disproportionately, uh,

religious, uh, identify with, um.

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With that, uh, with that Christian

message and, and, and as a result,

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um, things like abortion, um, become

a very powerful, uh, wedge issue.

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On the West Coast, you have a

disproportionate number of, uh, uh,

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of Mexicans that are involved in

the oil, uh, industry in, in, um.

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Uh, in Texas, California, New Mexico.

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Um, so those issues that, you know, uh,

the, the, this information that, that

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branded Biden as someone who's going

to be anti oil industry and trying to

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put the oil industry out of business is

going to resonate with that particular

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pocket of voters and on the East Coast,

you have Venezuelans and Cubans, um,

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Nicaraguans, um, that have had, uh,

horrible experiences or relatives who

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have had Horrible experiences with, uh,

with, uh, leftist or communist movements,

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uh, in, in, uh, in their countries.

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Uh, so that labeling of Kamala

Harris as a communist is going to

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resonate with that particular group.

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So I don't think that there's

necessarily one, uh, uh, one answer.

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And by the way, those wedge

issues cut across all demographics

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and all, uh, all races.

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But, you know, and, and that's just,

I think one of many, um, Uh, ways

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that, that the Republicans have been,

uh, effective and the Democrats have

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had trouble getting, uh, traction

applying older, outdated formulas.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah, so

here's the thing, though.

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I, number 1, Kevin, I hear you.

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Nsenga, I hear you.

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And, and, and Louie, thanks for

that, bro, because you just broke

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it down, because obviously, like

you just said, Hispanics is across

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many different type of ethnicities.

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My challenge, though, where I want

to come back to you on this, Kevin.

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So I hear that.

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Hey, you know, it's about me.

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Um, you know, Democrats

haven't done anything for me.

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And, you know, it's about us.

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Now we got to take this to the next level.

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And I hear about, uh, uh, Louis about,

hey, you know, out in the West Coast.

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Uh, they tried to paint Biden as,

uh, he wasn't, he wasn't about

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fracking and he was going to get rid

of drilling and on the East coast,

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you know, they painted, you know,

uh, Kamala as a socialist, right?

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So the Hispanics on that side

thought that, Hey, we, you know,

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we came from communist countries,

we don't want to have that.

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I get all that.

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I even get the economy part.

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Eggs prices are too high.

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All those things, all that makes

sense where my challenge is.

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Okay.

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Is they voted for Trump?

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Okay.

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You just got finished talking

about, uh, this, uh, Hispanics being

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religious and they voted for him.

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All right.

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Based on all his baggage based

on all his racial rhetoric.

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Okay.

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And and then I also think that there's

a lack of really history of where.

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Blacks and people of color have come

through and all the different type of,

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uh, um, you know, systemic issues that

they've dealt with for centuries, right?

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And then you have somebody that's out

in the open and then use the media.

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See, here's the thing

he said on that clip.

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I've been the best friend for

black people, but when he wants

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to be able to rile his base up.

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He then uses racial overtones, all

right, to tie into their emotions

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to get them to vote a certain way.

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So in other words, he'll use

race to divide people, but then

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he wants people to vote for him.

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So that's where I'm

struggling a little bit.

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So Kevin.

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Did they just submit all this?

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All that doesn't matter now.

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It's just about, you know, hey,

I want somebody to look after me.

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And I'm not saying that the Democrats

were the, you know, they had their arms.

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I mean, they were, you

know, God and waiting.

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But when you have somebody that's so,

uh, um, what's the word I want to use?

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That's, that's basically

you see what you got.

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He's being who he is.

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He really, in my opinion, Is very

racial, homophobic, uh, uh, uh,

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uh, xenophobia, anything that

you can name, okay, to be fair.

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And he's put these things out

himself, but that didn't sway

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people of color for voting for him.

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Let me hear your thoughts on that.

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Kevin Jenkins: That's a lot to unpack,

but I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you

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this, listen, guys, we, we're in, we're

in the middle of the 21st century and

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people are not guided by the old forms

of why we elect someone as opposed to

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being left or opposed to being right,

or are they more racist than the other?

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Is one group more racist than the other?

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I can unpack all of that

on the Democratic side.

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I don't, I can unpack it

on the Republican side.

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Kevin Jenkins: What people

are looking for are results.

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Right.

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So if you have after 16 years, after 16

years, 12 of those years, we've had a

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democratic president and none of those

things was addressed at all at the

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racial level, at the social level, at the

cultural level, economic level at all.

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No seismic discussion.

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Just stay in place.

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Everything will get better.

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And you know, by the way.

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When I leave, I hope and pray that

something successful happens because

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the next guy after me is not going

to do anything for you either.

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So for all those years, black Americans

have been giving their votes and

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saying, Hey, listen, listen to us.

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We need these things to get

better, to move forward.

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Now, snapshot with Trump in 2016.

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What did Trump do?

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Trump didn't do anything

or pass any policies that

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affected us in a negative way.

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But if that was the case, Obama, if

that was a case Biden, if that was a

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case, all of those other people prior

to him, we would have got, we would

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have been able to get access to the

power and influence that we need.

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So now we are in this time.

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They're saying we're not going back.

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We're not voting anymore for those guys.

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We're not getting any

best bang for our buck.

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That's where they are right now.

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That's how they're looking at it.

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That's their alternative.

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Do we have an alternative for them?

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No, we don't.

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What's the alternative?

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So here's the thing.

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What's the alternative to go back

and get the same crumbs that we've

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been getting for the last 50 years?

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So I can evaluate that public

policy for days and it has not

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been beneficial for us at all.

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Tony Tidbit: So, so

here's the thing though.

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So I hear you.

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Okay.

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And I'm not disagree.

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Like I said, I didn't disagree with

what you were saying in the beginning.

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Right?

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My thing is, is that he voted for Trump.

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Okay.

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So let's be clear here.

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I've been, uh, um, and it

really doesn't matter, but I've

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been a Republican since 1990.

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Okay.

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So just to be clear here.

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Okay.

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I voted for Bush, the father.

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Okay, I voted for Bush, the son.

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Okay.

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I didn't see none of this.

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Oh, what about me?

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Okay, where did that?

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This is my point here.

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I didn't see none of that then.

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Okay.

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So, so to be fair, and to you,

and you made up, you made a point.

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I want to ask Dr.

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Nsenga Burton on this point because

you said, hey, when he was here

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in 2016, none of his policies

affected people of color, right?

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Dr.

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Burton, Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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Let him finish.

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I just want to make sure I got it right.

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Go ahead, Kev.

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Kevin Jenkins: I wanted to add one thing.

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I've been a Republican just as long.

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I didn't even vote for him in 2016.

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I didn't even vote for him in 2016.

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I really didn't, but to the point that

you were getting ready to make, I just

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think that black Americans around the

country, around this country anyway, is

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saying, let's have a bigger dialogue.

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Let's not, you know, let's not

listen to that chat over here.

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If we have a bigger dialogue, we

might come up with some principled

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things that might benefit our group.

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I think that's fair.

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And I think they're saying

we're walking away from you.

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You've walked away from us and

we're walking away from you.

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And that's what I think is happening.

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I think you're going to

see a lot more of that.

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Tony Tidbit: Go ahead, Dr.

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Burton.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton:

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So I was gonna say, I think we're,

um, you know, I said this to Tony, why

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are we spending so much time talking

about such a small group of people?

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Um, because so many other, and I'm talking

about African Americans, not Latino

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or Asian, um, because so many people

did not vote Republican, but, um, uh,

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there were some very harmful policies.

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Um, you know, the first one I

thought of was stopping the daily

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press briefings from the CDC.

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Um, the.

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In 2016, which, of course, contributed

to us not having enough information

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about the spread of Covid and

why over a million people died.

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And people now are living

with the consequences of that.

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Of course, it also goes

with his unwillingness.

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And this is 45 at the time, a willingness

to read for comprehension, the data

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that was coming out of the and the

CDC, which he's already, in terms

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of now, if we talk about DOGE, and I

know we're gonna talk about DOGE soon.

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The same thing is primed to be

happening because we're not getting

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the information that we need.

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They're not getting the

resources that they need.

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And all of these things are being done

to give a tax cut to billionaires.

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So there was information in 2016.

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Here's my problem, Tony, with why

people voted for 47 now and this year.

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Because, you know, sometimes when

presidents come in, you don't have

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any prior information about them.

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They might have been a senator for a

couple of years or somewhere in the

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Congress, or they might have been a local

politician or maybe even a governor.

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But you don't know a lot about that state.

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We had all the information about

this candidate and his tenure

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from 2016 to 2020 was awful.

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It was horrible.

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We were literally trapped in our houses,

wiping our ass with dish rags because

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this man would not adhere to health

and public health guidelines that

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were being, uh, communicated by every

reputable health care agency in the world.

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You know, COVID didn't start here.

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It doesn't have to get here.

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Um, and if we had done what needed

to be done, we could have prevented

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it and we could have prevented all

of the people who lost their jobs.

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We could have prevented all the

businesses, especially the small

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businesses, Kevin, that went

out of business, uh,: 2020

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the COVID era, we could have.

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Um, salvage a lot of things, including

our lives and lives of our family

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members and so forth and so on.

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Um, so, you know, we could go

on to the central park five.

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We could go on, um, to him calling

Haiti, you know, a shithole or whatever.

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Uh, we could go on to him, um, throwing

paper towels at people and making jokes

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when they just lost their homes in

Puerto Rico, um, during a hurricane.

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We, I mean, I could keep going.

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I'm just going to stop because I don't

want to spend that much time talking about

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him, but what I will say about the voters.

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Um, is I think that when you are

very strategic and Republicans win

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every time on communication, I'll

give you that Kevin and the Democrats

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are horrible on communication.

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I'll give you that too.

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Horrible.

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Horrible.

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They are talking to 80 year old white men.

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Every single time.

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So I give it to you.

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So if you are someone where

you like, listen, Hey, it's me.

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I want you to talk to me and you're

not hearing your name called, or

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you're not part of that, you know,

uh, jargon, which speaks to this very

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specific group, then you are going to

be like, where am I, what am I getting?

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Again, if you're not a critical thinker.

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And again, I want to add to this

conversation that it wasn't only

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because of these shifts, uh,

but it's also because sexism.

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And misogyny and anti black racism

is pervasive throughout the world.

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So all of these folks who are voting,

not all of them, of course, but many of

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these folks who are voting, particularly

those who, um, have the right to vote

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are not going to vote for a woman anyway,

they don't believe in women as leaders.

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They don't believe in women,

especially the religious,

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uh, right, as you say, Louis.

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They don't believe that

women should be in charge.

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And then you got a whole bunch of people

who are anti Black in this country.

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In this country.

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That's the foundation of this nation.

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Um, and who are coming from other

countries, bringing that anti

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Black racism with them and thinking

about that as they go to the polls.

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That's the only reason that you could be,

uh, voting for someone who is telling you.

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You know that there's a black job, you

know, they're taking your black jobs.

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What jobs are those the service jobs?

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Oh, okay.

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So that's what we're supposed to be doing.

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We're supposed to be digging Gravel

and and dirt and stuff like that.

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Okay.

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Got it.

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We're supposed to be a

great agrarian still.

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Okay We're not supposed

to be in the c suite.

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We're not supposed to be

president of the United States.

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We're not supposed to be we're Where many

people are or not enough, but enough, some

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people are, you know, one black person.

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If you look statistically at the data, one

black person in the C suite every 10 years

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at your job is one black person too many.

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Oh my God.

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We got to get rid of diversity efforts.

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Because I've seen two black

people in 20 years in my C suite.

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Oh my God, they're going,

they're gaining too much.

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All right, so that is my point.

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Trump is not good for black people.

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Trump is not good for anybody.

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Let's keep that real.

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I understand why you didn't vote

for him in: 2016

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knew anything about him prior to

that, you would not vote for Trump.

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But to vote for him now,

knowing everything that we

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knew in 2016, is Unacceptable.

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Let

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Chris P. Reed:

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me ask a question.

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Let me ask a question

before we go too far.

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I don't want to separate.

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I want to separate the

message from the messenger.

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And I want to ask you this question,

Louis, because I believe you brought

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this up and it was a while ago

because we've had a lot of voices,

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but the idea of the Democratic Party

being cast as the supporters or the.

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Voice of the marginalized population.

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Where's the Venn diagram

that shows marginalized?

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Because I have a uncomfortable feeling

with terms that seem black and brown.

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When, if you look at the base definition

of them, they're not just black and brown.

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So who are the non marginalized?

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Is that the Christian

heterosexual white male?

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Is that the only person

that's non marginalized?

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But when you say it's a

party for the marginalized,

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explain that a little further.

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Louis Riveria: Okay, so I did want

to address something Kevin said,

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but, uh, respectfully, let me just

try and, uh, address your question.

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Um, you know, the Democratic

Party is a big tent party.

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Uh, so you have by definition, a

lot of special special interest.

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And I use LGBTQ as an example, only

because as a percentage of the population,

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it got a disproportionate amount of, of

energy and, and, and discussion, I believe

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that the LGBT community deserves, um,

uh, to be protected and, and, um, and

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their rights to be respected and every

individual should, should feel safe.

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I think, I think.

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Uh, the Democrats have a communication

problem in that they were unable

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to address that issue, um, in a

way that resonated with everyone.

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Um, so, so that's just one example.

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But Kevin, I just have to

challenge on on on one thing.

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You said, you know, for 16

years, the Democrats haven't done

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anything for for black people.

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They elected a black president.

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Um, and imagine Um, and I, you don't

have to imagine this, but I'm putting my

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myself in, uh, in, in, in the place of a

young black kid who gets to see, uh, the

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president of the United States as a black

guy and realizing that I'm capable of, of,

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of uh, Rising to that ultimate, uh, uh,

position, not that they haven't done other

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things, but that in and of itself, that's

a generational, um, a generational impact.

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And by the way, that guy also passed

a health care plan that lifted a

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ton of people, uh, out of out of

poverty and, and, and, um, uh.

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And save, you know, tens of thousands

of lives black and and white.

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So, to say that that we haven't, um, the

Democratic Party has not done anything

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for black people over, uh, over 16

years is, is, uh, is somewhat reductive.

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The other thing I just

introduced this idea and I don't.

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Um, I don't have science to

back it up, but I did ask

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chat about mass mass delusion.

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Um, and can you give me examples of

mass delusion that impacted, um, um,

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uh, you know, entire societies and it's.

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Spit out a list of, you

know, 10 different examples.

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Um, you know, one of the ones

that comes comes to mind is

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is during the Vietnam War.

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: 00:31:29

There was this the domino theory.

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: 00:31:31

Uh, the idea that if if 1 country

in Southeast Asia fell, you

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: 00:31:36

know, the entire region would

become would become a communist.

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: 00:31:39

And that costs 40, 000

American lives during the 50s.

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: 00:31:43

You had McCarthyism and for a while

he wielded, uh, you know, Unbelievable

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: 00:31:48

power over people's careers and, and,

um, livelihood of a ton of people.

630

: 00:31:56

And it turned out to be all nonsense.

631

: 00:31:58

None of it based on, uh, on evidence.

632

: 00:32:01

I think what's happening in this country.

633

: 00:32:04

There's no 1 answer, but there's a

good piece of of that, that, um, that

634

: 00:32:09

can be sort of fall into that bucket.

635

: 00:32:12

1 other point that I'd make, um,

there, um, there's a documentary on.

636

: 00:32:18

Amazon called a bad faith, and it

talks about the Christian nationalists

637

: 00:32:26

and how well organized they've been

over the course of 40 years, um, in

638

: 00:32:32

mobilizing, uh, a disproportionate

impact on our political process and how.

639

: 00:32:39

While abortion was a galvanizing force

for them, what, what they really wanted

640

: 00:32:46

to do, um, was bring back some of

the, um, antebellum, um, uh, You know,

641

: 00:32:58

basically white supremacy that it that

that there is a significant portion of

642

: 00:33:04

the, the Christian nationalists that

is a white supremacist, uh, movement.

643

: 00:33:09

Um, so a lot of different

factors, uh, come into play.

644

: 00:33:14

And by the way.

645

: 00:33:15

I'm just going back to Obama.

646

: 00:33:17

I think Obama helped galvanize

that, that, uh, that movement.

647

: 00:33:21

Imagine if you're, you know, you know,

and let's use a spectrum, you know, on

648

: 00:33:27

the one hand, you're a hardcore white

supremacist, you keep a sheet in your

649

: 00:33:29

closet and then, you know, you're, you

know, you're that, you know, that closet

650

: 00:33:34

racist, you know, uh, you know, people

call it, you know, your, your, your

651

: 00:33:38

racist uncle or grandfather, that entire

spectrum of people were, I'll Blow it

652

: 00:33:45

away by by Obama's, um, uh, election.

653

: 00:33:49

And I think that that that that

galvanize them and turned them

654

: 00:33:52

into a powerful political force.

655

: 00:33:55

Chris P. Reed:

656

: 00:33:55

Right?

657

: 00:33:55

Right.

658

: 00:33:56

I'd like to say this

before we move forward.

659

: 00:33:57

Tony.

660

: 00:33:57

I would like to discount what Louis

said as far as Obama being the

661

: 00:34:01

shining star or the epitome for the

young black male who seeing him as

662

: 00:34:07

the archetype of what could be done.

663

: 00:34:09

only because that would mean this

president is the same for the young racist

664

: 00:34:14

buffoon out there that's up and coming

and thinking he too without any, uh, coups

665

: 00:34:19

or any, um, style or any presence could

be the president of the United States.

666

: 00:34:24

So if we use one, we have

to use the other as example.

667

: 00:34:27

And I don't want that to be, uh,

empowering to, uh, the younger

668

: 00:34:31

generation in that regard.

669

: 00:34:33

Louis Riveria: Well, I think you look

at the House of Representatives, um,

670

: 00:34:36

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

671

: 00:34:36

as,

672

: 00:34:38

Louis Riveria: you know, as sort of your

exhibit, you know, your exhibit A, B, C,

673

: 00:34:42

D and E, you know, in what, in what normal

world with Marjorie Taylor Greene, you

674

: 00:34:47

know, be considered a, uh, uh, you know,

a legitimate Representative of anyone,

675

: 00:34:54

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

676

: 00:34:54

and I live in Georgia and people

know her and they are shocked.

677

: 00:34:57

My Republican friends know her and

like, where did this come from?

678

: 00:35:01

How did this happen?

679

: 00:35:01

Right?

680

: 00:35:02

Tony Tidbit: Right.

681

: 00:35:03

But here's the thing though.

682

: 00:35:04

I want my brother to get a chance to jump

in because obviously you had a thought you

683

: 00:35:08

wanted to jump in before we went to Louis.

684

: 00:35:10

But go ahead, my man.

685

: 00:35:11

Kevin Jenkins: Well, I'm not here

to litigate all of those things.

686

: 00:35:13

I mean, right, those in silos and

we can talk about them all day.

687

: 00:35:17

I mean, I have a different position when

it comes to, um, Corona, the Corona virus.

688

: 00:35:22

I understand it deeply.

689

: 00:35:23

I've traveled over 800 and some 1000

miles fighting exactly against that.

690

: 00:35:28

But not only that, though,

I've traveled this world.

691

: 00:35:30

I've worked in Africa.

692

: 00:35:31

I've worked in 10.

693

: 00:35:32

I've worked all over this planet.

694

: 00:35:34

And I'm telling you, there's a seismic

shift about what people are feeling.

695

: 00:35:37

Even in with all of those bad things

that are constructed to get people to

696

: 00:35:41

feel one way as opposed to another way.

697

: 00:35:44

People now are looking at themselves

completely differently because now we

698

: 00:35:47

are moving from our twenties to our

sixties and we're saying, okay, here's

699

: 00:35:52

what this investment has gotten us and

it's boiled is boiling down to that.

700

: 00:35:56

What do I need to survive?

701

: 00:35:58

What do I need to take

care of my Children?

702

: 00:36:00

How do I move my group

or my family forward?

703

: 00:36:03

Now I can go back and break down all

of the education stuff that says that

704

: 00:36:06

we're disqualifying ourselves the way

we've been educating our Children.

705

: 00:36:09

We can go and have that

discussion every day.

706

: 00:36:12

I could come in here and talk

about charter schools, choice.

707

: 00:36:15

I could do it all day, but

people are saying, what in the

708

: 00:36:18

hell is going to happen to us?

709

: 00:36:20

And I think when these last four

years have passed us by, people were

710

: 00:36:23

homes trapped in their, at home,

trapped in their houses saying,

711

: 00:36:27

this is what life could be for us

if we don't get our stuff together.

712

: 00:36:31

And I think young people, older

people are baselining it right there.

713

: 00:36:35

No more intellectual jab.

714

: 00:36:36

No more.

715

: 00:36:37

Um, I call maximum

sophisticated confusion.

716

: 00:36:39

Nobody wants to hear it.

717

: 00:36:41

Nobody wants to hear from the right.

718

: 00:36:42

Nobody wants to hear from the left.

719

: 00:36:44

And everybody's saying, what in

the hell is going to happen to us?

720

: 00:36:47

Tony Tidbit: So do you

721

: 00:36:48

Kevin Jenkins: see more of that in

the next year, two years, you're

722

: 00:36:50

going to see the more of that.

723

: 00:36:52

Tony Tidbit: So that was my next question.

724

: 00:36:53

Is that so you see this as being a

trend that is only going to grow bigger

725

: 00:36:59

and larger versus being an anomaly?

726

: 00:37:02

Um, you know, because to be fair, a

lot of people were talking about, they

727

: 00:37:07

voted this way because of the economy.

728

: 00:37:09

Kevin Jenkins: Well, the

economy is everything.

729

: 00:37:11

The economy is the economy is everything.

730

: 00:37:13

And what the Democrats culturally do is

keep us in these cultural wars, right?

731

: 00:37:18

Somebody asked me a question.

732

: 00:37:20

How did Donald Trump win?

733

: 00:37:21

I said, it's real simple.

734

: 00:37:23

They said, well, what do you mean?

735

: 00:37:23

He listened to his voters.

736

: 00:37:25

Now you say, who is voters?

737

: 00:37:27

77.

738

: 00:37:28

3 million people.

739

: 00:37:29

77.

740

: 00:37:29

3 million people.

741

: 00:37:32

That was not about black people,

white people, green people.

742

: 00:37:35

The whole country said, I'm against that.

743

: 00:37:38

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

744

: 00:37:38

That's not the whole country, Kevin.

745

: 00:37:39

Kevin Jenkins: But, but see,

746

: 00:37:40

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

747

: 00:37:40

but I'm saying your language.

748

: 00:37:43

See, that's what you all do.

749

: 00:37:44

That language where you,

because that's not factual.

750

: 00:37:47

That is not the whole

751

: 00:37:48

Tony Tidbit: country.

752

: 00:37:49

But Dr.

753

: 00:37:49

Burt, let him finish and

then I'll hear your thought.

754

: 00:37:51

Go ahead, buddy.

755

: 00:37:52

Kevin Jenkins: 77.

756

: 00:37:52

3, you can go and

qualify all you want, 77.

757

: 00:37:56

3 million people voted for him.

758

: 00:37:58

If you look at the map, right?

759

: 00:38:00

If you look at the whole

total map, they voted for him.

760

: 00:38:03

That's a mandate.

761

: 00:38:04

You can't manufacture that this way.

762

: 00:38:07

It's the truth.

763

: 00:38:08

So now, what does that say to you?

764

: 00:38:11

They're saying that it's not a split.

765

: 00:38:13

People are saying we're pushing

back against that narrative.

766

: 00:38:16

We don't want that narrative.

767

: 00:38:18

That doesn't represent our narrative.

768

: 00:38:20

We really want somebody

to take care of us.

769

: 00:38:22

We're gonna, you need to put us first.

770

: 00:38:25

Now that's what came out of that.

771

: 00:38:27

Tony Tidbit: So, so, well, Dr.

772

: 00:38:29

Burton, go ahead and respond

because I, I jumped in.

773

: 00:38:32

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

774

: 00:38:32

What I'm saying is, you can call

it culture wars or whatever you

775

: 00:38:36

want to call it, but the fact is

that we live in an increasingly

776

: 00:38:39

anti Black, Anti woman, misogynist.

777

: 00:38:43

But you keep saying that, though.

778

: 00:38:45

You keep saying that.

779

: 00:38:46

How is that

780

: 00:38:46

Kevin Jenkins: possible?

781

: 00:38:47

I live with a woman that's an

elected official for almost 20 years.

782

: 00:38:52

I don't even hear her talk like that.

783

: 00:38:55

When she walks in those boardrooms.

784

: 00:38:56

I'm not that woman, though.

785

: 00:38:57

That's what

786

: 00:38:59

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

787

: 00:38:59

I'm talking about.

788

: 00:39:00

You don't have time.

789

: 00:39:02

You don't have time to

790

: 00:39:04

Kevin Jenkins: do that when you're

trying to build something for your group.

791

: 00:39:08

So, Kev, Kev, Kev, let her

finish, let her finish.

792

: 00:39:11

I listened to this for almost a half, I

didn't say a word, I didn't say anything.

793

: 00:39:16

I listened to

794

: 00:39:16

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

795

: 00:39:16

you and it stopped.

796

: 00:39:17

You're cutting me off.

797

: 00:39:18

Kevin Jenkins: Because I'm trying to

798

: 00:39:20

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

799

: 00:39:20

listen to you, but you are not,

what you're doing is Listen, listen,

800

: 00:39:23

Kevin Jenkins: you, I, look, you, you,

you can't outsmart me on this one.

801

: 00:39:26

I know you have no value for education, I

802

: 00:39:27

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

803

: 00:39:27

know you have no value for education

or intellectualism, I know that.

804

: 00:39:29

I'm a PhD.

805

: 00:39:30

I have no value.

806

: 00:39:31

I know how communication works.

807

: 00:39:32

How do you write

808

: 00:39:32

Kevin Jenkins: policy

for a fucking education?

809

: 00:39:35

What are you talking about?

810

: 00:39:37

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

811

: 00:39:37

What are you talking, you

don't see, you don't even know.

812

: 00:39:38

I am an educator.

813

: 00:39:40

Kevin Jenkins: That is the problem.

814

: 00:39:40

That's what I'm talking about.

815

: 00:39:42

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

816

: 00:39:42

So let me talk to you, talk about

what he asked me to talk about.

817

: 00:39:46

No, no, you can't speak for me.

818

: 00:39:47

Which you are doing.

819

: 00:39:47

Kevin Jenkins: No, you need

to start speaking for me.

820

: 00:39:50

Absolutely not.

821

: 00:39:51

No, not never.

822

: 00:39:53

I'll do this

823

: 00:39:53

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

824

: 00:39:53

for another hour or whatever.

825

: 00:39:54

I'm never going to stop talking

because you told me to stop talking.

826

: 00:39:57

I am a feminist womanist and you are

not going to reduce me the way you

827

: 00:40:01

have reduced everything for people

who don't vote like you have done.

828

: 00:40:05

I

829

: 00:40:05

Kevin Jenkins: don't

830

: 00:40:08

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

831

: 00:40:08

care how you voted.

832

: 00:40:10

What you are saying is

dangerous because you're spewing

833

: 00:40:13

information that is incorrect.

834

: 00:40:15

And what I was saying is before you

reduced me to just being a woman, just

835

: 00:40:21

like the other woman you live with, who

would never be me, I am saying to you

836

: 00:40:27

that what you are saying is not correct

as it relates to certain populations.

837

: 00:40:35

Now you can pretend.

838

: 00:40:36

And laugh and give her all you want

to running me down because I don't

839

: 00:40:41

have anything else to speak the

other night, 70 percent of America

840

: 00:40:44

Kevin Jenkins: agree with them.

841

: 00:40:45

The only movement is a white

supremacist movement that's going to lap

842

: 00:40:48

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

843

: 00:40:48

your black ass up too.

844

: 00:40:51

Tony Tidbit: So here's the thing though.

845

: 00:40:53

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

846

: 00:40:53

job.

847

: 00:40:53

Hold on to your job.

848

: 00:40:54

Keep doing what you're doing.

849

: 00:40:55

Keep tap dancing.

850

: 00:40:56

That's what I'm saying.

851

: 00:40:57

Tony Tidbit: So here's the thing though.

852

: 00:40:58

Here's the thing.

853

: 00:40:59

So Kev, just going back to what you,

your last point you said 70% of the

854

: 00:41:04

pop, we can't say the population.

855

: 00:41:07

Yeah.

856

: 00:41:07

Wins the

857

: 00:41:08

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

858

: 00:41:08

popular vote by a significant margin.

859

: 00:41:11

Thank you.

860

: 00:41:11

Yeah.

861

: 00:41:11

Tony Tidbit: So 70% of the people who,

yeah, so, so 70% of the people that saw

862

: 00:41:17

the State of the Union, Kev, you say agree

with the president that, is that correct?

863

: 00:41:21

Kevin Jenkins: Yes.

864

: 00:41:21

Tony Tidbit: Okay.

865

: 00:41:22

Kevin Jenkins: And then you agree with

the 70 percent agree with the president.

866

: 00:41:27

Tony Tidbit: Okay.

867

: 00:41:28

Now, but we know that's not

70 percent of the population.

868

: 00:41:31

That's 70 percent of people watch

869

: 00:41:33

Kevin Jenkins: 70%.

870

: 00:41:35

If you know anything about polling, they

have a universe that they poll, right?

871

: 00:41:38

70 percent of Americans agree

with what he was saying, guys.

872

: 00:41:43

You got, this is from CBS.

873

: 00:41:45

That is not true.

874

: 00:41:46

This is from your

875

: 00:41:47

Chris P. Reed:

876

: 00:41:47

station.

877

: 00:41:47

It's not factual.

878

: 00:41:48

It's not factual.

879

: 00:41:49

It's

880

: 00:41:50

Kevin Jenkins: not true.

881

: 00:41:52

It's absolutely not.

882

: 00:41:53

I'm telling you.

883

: 00:41:55

Listen.

884

: 00:41:56

You saw it on CBS.

885

: 00:41:57

I saw it too.

886

: 00:41:58

You don't understand how polling works.

887

: 00:41:59

I'll send it to you.

888

: 00:41:59

No, no, no, no.

889

: 00:42:00

Can

890

: 00:42:00

Louis Riveria: I help Kevin

out here for a second?

891

: 00:42:03

Go ahead, Louis.

892

: 00:42:05

Go ahead.

893

: 00:42:06

Let Louis jump in.

894

: 00:42:07

Go ahead.

895

: 00:42:08

So, Kevin, I get that

you're, uh, quoting numbers.

896

: 00:42:12

Oh, my

897

: 00:42:12

Kevin Jenkins: God.

898

: 00:42:13

No, no, let

899

: 00:42:15

Louis Riveria: me just help you out here.

900

: 00:42:17

Kevin Jenkins: Oh,

901

: 00:42:18

Louis Riveria: what?

902

: 00:42:21

I guess it was in relation.

903

: 00:42:23

Hold on.

904

: 00:42:23

Lou.

905

: 00:42:24

Hang on.

906

: 00:42:24

Real relation.

907

: 00:42:26

Tony Tidbit: He, he, he, well, one thing

he is right, because I watched CBS,

908

: 00:42:30

they did say, yes, so, so, so when you

909

: 00:42:33

Louis Riveria: speak in

absolutes, it's easy to challenge.

910

: 00:42:36

It's 70 percent of the people surveyed

who watched the, who watched the, uh,

911

: 00:42:43

Kevin Jenkins: it's the

same guys, you know, because

912

: 00:42:45

Chris P. Reed:

913

: 00:42:45

some people opted out.

914

: 00:42:47

because of indignation.

915

: 00:42:48

There was Republicans, Democrats

that didn't even exactly.

916

: 00:42:51

I'm a political junkie.

917

: 00:42:53

Louis Riveria: I didn't watch and

people in my circles made it a point of

918

: 00:42:56

boycotting the speech, but that's okay.

919

: 00:42:59

It didn't make anything that he said

any, any closer to the truth, but

920

: 00:43:02

here's the thing because 70% Of people

like that didn't really make it.

921

: 00:43:07

So here's the thing.

922

: 00:43:08

Tony Tidbit: What Kevin is saying, no

regard, forget the numbers, forget,

923

: 00:43:11

forget, forget what he's saying is that

the country is moving in this direction.

924

: 00:43:16

This is not an anomaly.

925

: 00:43:18

Okay, that this is a trend that's

going to continue to go on.

926

: 00:43:21

Is that forget the numbers on air?

927

: 00:43:22

Is that what you're saying?

928

: 00:43:23

Kevin Jenkins: And that's

exactly what I'm saying.

929

: 00:43:25

Tony Tidbit: Okay.

930

: 00:43:26

Okay.

931

: 00:43:26

Kevin Jenkins: Exactly.

932

: 00:43:27

I, I think he's saying, I, I, I agree

933

: 00:43:29

Louis Riveria: with, with Kevin, by the

way, and I, I guess the, the, the things

934

: 00:43:33

that, that we might differ on is why I, I

think the disinformation machine, um, yes.

935

: 00:43:39

Has, has, uh, is penetrated, uh,

our society in a way that has made.

936

: 00:43:45

Uh, factual information,

almost irrelevant.

937

: 00:43:48

And no one delivers a hawk

or a line like like Trump.

938

: 00:43:53

He is an effective communicator

and repeating lies.

939

: 00:43:56

He does not back down.

940

: 00:43:58

And that absolutely has an

impact on the electorate.

941

: 00:44:02

Tony Tidbit: So hold on 1 2nd,

Louis, because I got to jump in

942

: 00:44:04

because you said something right.

943

: 00:44:05

And I got it.

944

: 00:44:05

I got to throw this in here.

945

: 00:44:07

So, Kev, just real quick.

946

: 00:44:09

News Host: Yeah,

947

: 00:44:09

Tony Tidbit: that we know is that factual

what Louis just said about Trump about

948

: 00:44:13

him lying and just repeating stuff.

949

: 00:44:16

That's no, that's not true.

950

: 00:44:18

Pushing stuff out there.

951

: 00:44:19

Continue being part of the disinformation

and this is do you agree with that?

952

: 00:44:24

Kevin Jenkins: Well, listen, I'm not here.

953

: 00:44:25

I don't follow every word that he says.

954

: 00:44:27

Chris P. Reed:

955

: 00:44:27

Okay.

956

: 00:44:28

Kevin Jenkins: But from a policy

perspective, the things that I'm

957

: 00:44:30

interested in for my group, my people,

he's going to do a great, great job.

958

: 00:44:35

And he's been doing, can you give me

an example of any of those things?

959

: 00:44:37

Has he lied about any of those things to

you and your, I mean, your perspective.

960

: 00:44:40

Tony Tidbit: But,

961

: 00:44:40

Kevin Jenkins: but Kev,

what if they're an example?

962

: 00:44:42

You actually, listen, yeah.

963

: 00:44:44

Louis Riveria: Two, two

policy, two policy initiatives.

964

: 00:44:46

Kevin Jenkins: You asked a question about

what did I think about what he was doing.

965

: 00:44:51

I said, listen, I can't speak to

everything he talks about all the time,

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: 00:44:54

but on his tax policies, no taxes on

tips, no taxes on social security.

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: 00:45:00

Those kinds of policies are

going to be great for Americans.

968

: 00:45:03

When we move forward, his tax policy,

listen, it was his tax policies that he

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: 00:45:07

signed that was going to Phoenix out.

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: 00:45:09

And if it would have, we'd have

been even in worse condition.

971

: 00:45:12

No, no, no, no, no.

972

: 00:45:13

Tony Tidbit: I get that part.

973

: 00:45:14

I get that.

974

: 00:45:15

No, I was asking about him lying though.

975

: 00:45:17

That my question was about him lying.

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Kevin Jenkins: Lying about what?

983

: 00:45:40

I, I still understand what you're saying.

984

: 00:45:41

Like, what am I, what

is he lying about that?

985

: 00:45:44

He killed his dog or what?

986

: 00:45:45

No, no,

987

: 00:45:45

Tony Tidbit: no, no, no.

988

: 00:45:46

So, so Kev, you know,

Trump, so Trump doesn't lie.

989

: 00:45:49

Kevin Jenkins: No, he doesn't.

990

: 00:45:50

All

991

: 00:45:50

Tony Tidbit: of them

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: 00:45:50

Kevin Jenkins: lie.

993

: 00:45:51

Biden lies, Obama lies, everybody lies.

994

: 00:45:54

I mean, come on, everybody embellishes.

995

: 00:45:55

Come on.

996

: 00:45:56

Have you been in politics?

997

: 00:45:57

Come on, put up with the bullshit.

998

: 00:45:58

Have you been in politics?

999

: 00:46:00

Are you telling me I've been

in politics all my damn life?

: 1000

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They lie.

: 1001

00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:09,615

You, Kevin, you never

worked in government before.

: 1002

00:46:10,725 --> 00:46:13,095

Tony Tidbit: I worked in

government, so they lied.

: 1003

00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:13,935

We we know.

: 1004

00:46:13,935 --> 00:46:14,745

So listen buddy.

: 1005

00:46:14,745 --> 00:46:17,655

So guys kidding me, your hat on that?

: 1006

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No.

: 1007

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So I mean, so I'm you right, y'all,

: 1008

00:46:22,515 --> 00:46:24,285

Kevin Jenkins: y'all really,

if y'all believe that y'all

: 1009

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do have a brain process,

: 1010

00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:26,710

Tony Tidbit: KEF, kef, kef.

: 1011

00:46:27,135 --> 00:46:28,875

So just to be fair though, right?

: 1012

00:46:29,230 --> 00:46:31,730

So every person lies, we know that, right?

: 1013

00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:33,230

But let me, let me give you an example.

: 1014

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Okay, let me give you one example,

specifically when he was saying that the,

: 1015

00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:44,050

that the, uh, the Haitians were eating

the dogs in, in Ohio, which was not true.

: 1016

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Okay.

: 1017

00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:46,540

Which was not true, right?

: 1018

00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:47,170

Flat out.

: 1019

00:46:47,230 --> 00:46:51,000

Even the city commissioner,

the chief of police, the mayor

: 1020

00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,650

was like, that's not true.

: 1021

00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,390

Right.

: 1022

00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:55,520

Those are the things

that we're talking about.

: 1023

00:46:56,255 --> 00:46:57,845

Louis Riveria: Endangered that community.

: 1024

00:46:57,915 --> 00:47:02,395

It's not just that that it was a

lie or hyperbole is that Haitians

: 1025

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in that community began not

being able to show up for work.

: 1026

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I mean, they were fearful for

for their for their lives.

: 1027

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Uh, and by the way, that

that city welcomed Haitians.

: 1028

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They actually.

: 1029

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Um, it was an initiative, a

city sponsored, uh, initiative.

: 1030

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That's just 1 of, uh, and these

have been thoroughly documented.

: 1031

00:47:24,115 --> 00:47:27,075

If you choose to ignore it, there's

nothing that I'm going to say.

: 1032

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It's all these things are provably false

available, uh, for anyone to to, uh.

: 1033

00:47:33,135 --> 00:47:38,955

To, to evaluate and discern and the damage

that, that these things do that his lies,

: 1034

00:47:39,195 --> 00:47:44,565

uh, have done and, and to individuals and,

and, and to the country is immeasurable.

: 1035

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But you could choose to ignore

that, but, but it doesn't change it.

: 1036

00:47:48,270 --> 00:47:48,271

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

: 1037

00:47:48,271 --> 00:47:49,850

And the Washington worker,

the Washington Post, go ahead.

: 1038

00:47:49,850 --> 00:47:50,050

Go ahead.

: 1039

00:47:50,190 --> 00:47:51,530

The Washington Post some data.

: 1040

00:47:52,375 --> 00:47:57,385

The Washington Post, um, had an article

today, um, and that is his boy Jeff

: 1041

00:47:57,385 --> 00:48:02,125

Bezos publication, the Washington

Post, um, stated that he lied.

: 1042

00:48:02,335 --> 00:48:07,695

26 times about 26 different policies

in his State of the Union speech,

: 1043

00:48:07,925 --> 00:48:12,175

and they outlined it what he

said versus what the reality was.

: 1044

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So I would encourage people to go

and check that out so that they can

: 1045

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make that determination as well.

: 1046

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Tony Tidbit: Well,

here's the thing, though.

: 1047

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I agree with Kevin on

: 1048

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Louis Riveria: one more thing.

: 1049

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Hurry up, buddy.

: 1050

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The Social Security, uh, um, uh, tax

forgiveness, um, or eliminating that

: 1051

00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:32,930

tax was a brilliant, uh, brilliant move.

: 1052

00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:35,890

It was Reagan who actually,

uh, put that tax in.

: 1053

00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:39,100

But, uh, I'm surprised that

the Democrats didn't, uh, come

: 1054

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up with something comparable.

: 1055

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I don't think it's going to make

it into the final, uh, budget bill.

: 1056

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Tony Tidbit: So, but here's

the thing, though, right?

: 1057

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Right now What we're

having in the government.

: 1058

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So look, at the end of the day, Trump won.

: 1059

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He's the president on nine yards.

: 1060

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Um, but a lot of people didn't expect that

doge would be doing what it was doing.

: 1061

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Even the people that voted for him

to be fair now that even the people

: 1062

00:49:02,915 --> 00:49:07,725

that voted for him, they didn't

have an idea or a sense that this

: 1063

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would cut so deep and so hard.

: 1064

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News Host: We've covered musk and we've

covered the tech industry for a long time.

: 1065

00:49:13,255 --> 00:49:14,215

We've covered startups.

: 1066

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We understand.

: 1067

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The Musk playbook when he goes into

a company, what he does, what we know

: 1068

00:49:19,535 --> 00:49:23,135

about startups and what we know about

the tech industry is that this move

: 1069

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fast, break things model that is often

applied in that industry and often

: 1070

00:49:27,285 --> 00:49:30,305

applied by Musk often does break things.

: 1071

00:49:31,405 --> 00:49:34,145

The United States

government is not a startup.

: 1072

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If we treat it like a startup, there

is a high probability and a high

: 1073

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risk in our view that it will break.

: 1074

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Are there changes, are there

efficiencies within the federal

: 1075

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bureaucracy that we could find, right?

: 1076

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Is there cost to cut there?

: 1077

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I have no doubt.

: 1078

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I'm sure there is, right?

: 1079

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It's a very large bureaucracy.

: 1080

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It is not a startup.

: 1081

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It is not a tech company.

: 1082

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It's the federal government.

: 1083

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Tony Tidbit: So Kev, just based on

what's going on right now, right?

: 1084

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Um, obviously, let's be fair here, right?

: 1085

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There is a lot of waste and

stuff in the government.

: 1086

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This is nothing new, and it

makes sense to be able to cut.

: 1087

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And, and trim and, and, and find

fraud in the whole nine yards.

: 1088

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Right.

: 1089

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However, the way that Musk is going

about it and look, we're not even 60

: 1090

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days based on president Trump taken over.

: 1091

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And I believe, what did

the numbers say so far?

: 1092

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It's been 63, 000 people that have been

laid off of fired by the U S government.

: 1093

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By Musk, I should say over

17 different agencies.

: 1094

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Right?

: 1095

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And so let me your point of view.

: 1096

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Is he doing the right thing?

: 1097

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Is this something that he should do?

: 1098

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Not just should he do it in terms

of trying to create efficiencies

: 1099

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in the government, but his tactics

in terms of going out and the way

: 1100

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that he's currently executing.

: 1101

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I'd love to hear your thoughts.

: 1102

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Kevin Jenkins: Well, Bill

Clinton did the same thing.

: 1103

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He did.

: 1104

00:50:54,615 --> 00:50:59,735

377, 000 people lost their jobs, didn't

lose their jobs, but were relieved of

: 1105

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their jobs, however you want to put it.

: 1106

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Um, Obama did the same thing, exactly

the same thing, and actually created

: 1107

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a division that DOJ is sitting in now

to do exactly What Elon Musk is doing

: 1108

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at this present moment, and I think

all of us should be happy about that.

: 1109

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So it's been talked about

through all of these presidents,

: 1110

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and he's actually doing it.

: 1111

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So, um, and look what he's finding.

: 1112

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So everybody should be happy about that.

: 1113

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Those NGOs are nothing but,

uh, I think PSY operations to

: 1114

00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,610

pull coups around the country.

: 1115

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I think the money that they've

been spending, that's how

: 1116

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they're building their wealth.

: 1117

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They're building their wealth on the

government, you know, so at the end of the

: 1118

00:51:36,785 --> 00:51:38,095

day, I think he's doing the right thing.

: 1119

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And I think everybody

should be happy about it.

: 1120

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Chris P. Reed:

: 1121

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Let me ask you this, Kevin, I'm gonna

stick with you just for a moment.

: 1122

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Is there any danger in running a

government, uh, that is, that is

: 1123

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comprised of a society of individuals,

like you would a corporation or a

: 1124

00:51:51,755 --> 00:51:57,295

company that has barriers of interest

or a startup because any employment has

: 1125

00:51:57,305 --> 00:52:01,745

backgrounds and education criteria and

prerequisites and things of that nature?

: 1126

00:52:01,845 --> 00:52:02,675

A society does not.

: 1127

00:52:03,325 --> 00:52:08,495

And so to treat it like it's a

company may not be as advantageous

: 1128

00:52:08,505 --> 00:52:11,495

for those who didn't sign up for this.

: 1129

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Kevin Jenkins: Well, listen, running it

like a company or not running it like

: 1130

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a company, it doesn't really matter.

: 1131

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It's he's the executive.

: 1132

00:52:20,455 --> 00:52:22,465

He's the executive leader of the country.

: 1133

00:52:22,635 --> 00:52:24,775

He's saying this is what my process is.

: 1134

00:52:25,055 --> 00:52:27,995

This is who I'm choosing because

I have the right to do that,

: 1135

00:52:28,265 --> 00:52:31,515

to go and seek out all of this

waste and report it back to me.

: 1136

00:52:31,955 --> 00:52:33,805

I can do that as a CEO.

: 1137

00:52:33,835 --> 00:52:36,105

I can do it as a executive director.

: 1138

00:52:36,105 --> 00:52:38,415

I could do it as a president of

the United States of America.

: 1139

00:52:38,615 --> 00:52:39,785

He has that authority.

: 1140

00:52:40,045 --> 00:52:43,045

Like the Senate has the authority

it has and the Congress has

: 1141

00:52:43,045 --> 00:52:44,125

the authority that it has.

: 1142

00:52:44,195 --> 00:52:45,425

But do you like the haphazard

: 1143

00:52:45,425 --> 00:52:45,426

Chris P. Reed:

: 1144

00:52:45,426 --> 00:52:47,055

way in which is being conducted?

: 1145

00:52:47,055 --> 00:52:47,785

I guess is my question.

: 1146

00:52:47,785 --> 00:52:49,035

Do you believe it to be?

: 1147

00:52:49,355 --> 00:52:51,565

Efficient in the way

it's being gone about.

: 1148

00:52:52,585 --> 00:52:53,615

Kevin Jenkins: We can't define that.

: 1149

00:52:53,635 --> 00:52:57,785

If he's saying here's the outcomes

to all of that, that, that works.

: 1150

00:52:58,125 --> 00:52:58,126

Chris P. Reed:

: 1151

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Do you believe that's dynamite fishing?

: 1152

00:53:00,085 --> 00:53:00,335

Well,

: 1153

00:53:01,795 --> 00:53:04,325

Kevin Jenkins: it's been

done over and over again.

: 1154

00:53:04,685 --> 00:53:06,085

Tony Tidbit: So it was done.

: 1155

00:53:06,155 --> 00:53:08,985

Clinton reduced the

government by 12%, right?

: 1156

00:53:08,985 --> 00:53:10,835

But he didn't his, the way he did it.

: 1157

00:53:10,845 --> 00:53:12,155

Wasn't this way.

: 1158

00:53:12,375 --> 00:53:12,735

Okay.

: 1159

00:53:12,855 --> 00:53:13,795

To be fair, right?

: 1160

00:53:13,975 --> 00:53:14,755

Now, Dr.

: 1161

00:53:14,755 --> 00:53:16,045

Burton, let me ask you this question.

: 1162

00:53:16,835 --> 00:53:21,945

A lot of people believe that he's doing

this is to be able to find money, um,

: 1163

00:53:22,215 --> 00:53:25,035

to be able to extend his tax cuts.

: 1164

00:53:25,415 --> 00:53:26,105

Okay.

: 1165

00:53:26,365 --> 00:53:31,960

So basically, they're out trying

to Cut and we totally get it.

: 1166

00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:32,340

Right.

: 1167

00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,410

But at the end of the day, they're

never going to be able to cut enough.

: 1168

00:53:36,590 --> 00:53:41,590

I believe it's a trillion dollars that

they need to get to so that he can be

: 1169

00:53:41,590 --> 00:53:46,860

able to extend his tax cuts and the

only there's 2 pieces, big pieces.

: 1170

00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:52,010

So no matter how, how much he goes through

Elon Musk, the numbers ain't gonna add up.

: 1171

00:53:52,175 --> 00:53:55,635

Unless he attacks Medicaid

or social security.

: 1172

00:53:55,925 --> 00:53:56,605

Okay.

: 1173

00:53:56,745 --> 00:54:02,345

So do you believe based on, um,

well, every, based on this is just

: 1174

00:54:02,345 --> 00:54:06,845

the right thing to do in terms of

being able to find waste and save

: 1175

00:54:06,845 --> 00:54:08,895

the tax day, uh, taxpayers money.

: 1176

00:54:09,025 --> 00:54:12,885

Or do you believe there's a bigger

issue to this more about the tax

: 1177

00:54:12,885 --> 00:54:15,175

cuts versus finding efficiencies?

: 1178

00:54:16,725 --> 00:54:16,726

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

: 1179

00:54:16,726 --> 00:54:22,525

I think the smash and grab approach,

um, to downsizing your government.

: 1180

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Is not appropriate.

: 1181

00:54:25,450 --> 00:54:26,520

Um, you are correct.

: 1182

00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:29,640

Other presidents have downsized the

government, but they had a different

: 1183

00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,090

approach and his approach is not.

: 1184

00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:36,180

I think that he's motivated by getting

rid of regulatory agencies that

: 1185

00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,640

will have some type of oversight.

: 1186

00:54:39,245 --> 00:54:42,775

Um, you know, whether it's on my

and I'm talking about he, um, Musk

: 1187

00:54:42,955 --> 00:54:47,895

when I say he, um, on musks, um,

and he has billions of dollars of

: 1188

00:54:47,895 --> 00:54:49,365

contracts with the federal government.

: 1189

00:54:49,595 --> 00:54:51,355

I mean, you can stop funding yourself.

: 1190

00:54:51,415 --> 00:54:54,165

If that's what, if that's the case,

you want to find money for the

: 1191

00:54:54,165 --> 00:54:56,325

tax cuts, but he's not doing that.

: 1192

00:54:56,325 --> 00:54:59,535

He's getting the people out

of the way, um, who regulate.

: 1193

00:54:59,655 --> 00:55:01,825

Not only SpaceX, but also Tesla.

: 1194

00:55:02,185 --> 00:55:05,725

Um, and then he's actually, you know,

you're firing people, but then you enter

: 1195

00:55:05,725 --> 00:55:10,855

in a new multi billion dollar contract

to have your cyber trucks, uh, bought

: 1196

00:55:10,885 --> 00:55:12,805

or purchased by the U S government.

: 1197

00:55:12,815 --> 00:55:15,925

So you can't, you know, talk

out of both sides of your neck.

: 1198

00:55:16,115 --> 00:55:19,195

You got to decide, um, what

you're, what you're doing.

: 1199

00:55:19,475 --> 00:55:21,945

And I think that they don't

care about the American people.

: 1200

00:55:22,525 --> 00:55:26,305

Um, I think that they don't care how many

people or how fast they can fire them as

: 1201

00:55:26,305 --> 00:55:31,635

long as they're able to say, hey, we were

able to take, uh, give you a tax cut.

: 1202

00:55:31,945 --> 00:55:36,415

Uh, see, see here, they want us to

remember that little bit of money that

: 1203

00:55:36,415 --> 00:55:39,295

we get just like people, you know,

we're like, well, I'm going to vote

: 1204

00:55:39,295 --> 00:55:42,135

for him because you say he's going to

give me: 1200

: 1205

00:55:42,135 --> 00:55:45,825

was, um, that he said that he was going

to give and then buskers turn around

: 1206

00:55:45,825 --> 00:55:48,975

talking about, oh, we can maybe we can

give them: 5000

: 1207

00:55:48,995 --> 00:55:51,379

numbers when we know that that would.

: 1208

00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:55,540

You know, the not would not be great for

the government or for the American people.

: 1209

00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,400

So, uh, the point I'm raising is, I think

it's beyond even what you're saying it is.

: 1210

00:56:00,590 --> 00:56:02,020

It's not about the economy.

: 1211

00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,820

It's about, um, protecting himself.

: 1212

00:56:04,820 --> 00:56:06,189

That would be Elon Musk.

: 1213

00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:08,880

It's about having power that he

normally would not have, and damn

: 1214

00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,980

sure would not have in South Africa,

even from the Nationalist Party.

: 1215

00:56:12,450 --> 00:56:17,590

Um, and it's about being able to position

himself and his company, um, which are

: 1216

00:56:17,590 --> 00:56:22,250

failing by the way, um, in ways that

will help that would help save them.

: 1217

00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:26,440

And he is not above, uh, firing people

because there's no consequences for him.

: 1218

00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:28,100

There's no consequence.

: 1219

00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:29,400

The consequences are

going to be for Trump.

: 1220

00:56:29,410 --> 00:56:30,890

They're not going to be looking for Elon.

: 1221

00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:31,870

They're going to be looking for Trump.

: 1222

00:56:31,870 --> 00:56:33,029

So

: 1223

00:56:33,110 --> 00:56:33,111

Chris P. Reed:

: 1224

00:56:33,111 --> 00:56:37,150

the issue I have here is you guys

collectively have cast the, uh,

: 1225

00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:40,870

American citizen as only concerned

with their own self interest.

: 1226

00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:47,560

And in a society, in a society, we can't

operate in that way and we need some type

: 1227

00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,610

of governance and government oversight.

: 1228

00:56:49,810 --> 00:56:53,130

And so my question to you, Louis is,

are we selling the United States?

: 1229

00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:53,630

Oh, go ahead.

: 1230

00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:53,870

Go ahead.

: 1231

00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:54,600

Just real quick.

: 1232

00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:55,150

I was saying

: 1233

00:56:55,150 --> 00:56:55,151

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

: 1234

00:56:55,151 --> 00:56:57,960

we were talking about

why people voted for.

: 1235

00:56:58,525 --> 00:56:59,025

Trump,

: 1236

00:56:59,225 --> 00:56:59,226

Chris P. Reed:

: 1237

00:56:59,226 --> 00:56:59,565

right?

: 1238

00:56:59,575 --> 00:56:59,785

That's

: 1239

00:56:59,815 --> 00:56:59,816

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

: 1240

00:56:59,816 --> 00:57:00,845

what the response was.

: 1241

00:57:00,875 --> 00:57:03,855

I don't think at least for me, I

wasn't talking about everybody.

: 1242

00:57:03,875 --> 00:57:05,625

I was talking about the

people who voted for Trump.

: 1243

00:57:05,635 --> 00:57:06,935

I'm not talking about everybody.

: 1244

00:57:07,145 --> 00:57:07,146

Chris P. Reed:

: 1245

00:57:07,146 --> 00:57:07,625

Got you.

: 1246

00:57:07,675 --> 00:57:07,975

Okay.

: 1247

00:57:07,985 --> 00:57:08,255

Okay.

: 1248

00:57:08,275 --> 00:57:11,135

But when you talk about the

5, 000 and I got you, that's

: 1249

00:57:11,135 --> 00:57:12,075

what, okay, I'm getting you.

: 1250

00:57:12,515 --> 00:57:16,575

But in the idea of a foreign national

in the white house, making business

: 1251

00:57:16,575 --> 00:57:20,305

decisions on behalf of the American

public or that are, that is at

: 1252

00:57:20,305 --> 00:57:21,805

least impacting the American public.

: 1253

00:57:21,895 --> 00:57:26,295

Are we selling and we're talking about

selling citizenship or whatever the

: 1254

00:57:26,295 --> 00:57:27,715

cards or whatever the case may be.

: 1255

00:57:27,995 --> 00:57:30,525

Are we selling away the

country in your perspective,

: 1256

00:57:30,605 --> 00:57:34,375

Louis Riveria: uh, Louis, can

you clarify that question?

: 1257

00:57:34,385 --> 00:57:39,665

Do I think that, that, uh, Trump is

looking to profit from, from his position

: 1258

00:57:39,725 --> 00:57:42,065

or when you say we, that's a misnomer.

: 1259

00:57:42,375 --> 00:57:42,376

Chris P. Reed:

: 1260

00:57:42,376 --> 00:57:48,145

Uh, no, I mean, are we, are we putting

the United States up for sale, citizenship

: 1261

00:57:48,145 --> 00:57:54,225

access, access to government, you know,

access to government offices and, and

: 1262

00:57:54,225 --> 00:57:58,515

secrets and data and all that seems to be

up for grabs based on the highest bidder.

: 1263

00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,190

Louis Riveria: Yeah, allow me to

touch on the, on the data piece.

: 1264

00:58:01,190 --> 00:58:03,430

The other stuff is, is not

a question of my opinion.

: 1265

00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:07,990

He's already said, you know, you could pay

5M dollars to meet with him in Mar a Lago.

: 1266

00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:10,100

But let me just touch on the data piece.

: 1267

00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,010

Um, I don't believe it.

: 1268

00:58:12,050 --> 00:58:13,740

This has anything to do with efficiency.

: 1269

00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,490

And I think it would be kind to

say that it only has to do with

: 1270

00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:21,690

a public relations, uh, stunt.

: 1271

00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:22,230

If you.

: 1272

00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:29,375

Um, If you wanted to audit an organization

for efficiency, you would have forensic

: 1273

00:58:29,495 --> 00:58:36,135

accountants going in there who specialize

in in government, um, contracts to be able

: 1274

00:58:36,135 --> 00:58:38,765

to really sort out what what's going on.

: 1275

00:58:38,775 --> 00:58:41,855

He went in there with

coders, accountants audit.

: 1276

00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:43,370

Coder's hack.

: 1277

00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:49,590

Um, they now have data on, uh,

millions and millions of americans.

: 1278

00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,840

One thing that I was really surprised that

didn't get a lot of attention other than

: 1279

00:58:54,840 --> 00:59:00,240

the ridiculousness of the of the message

was that he gave himself the ability to

: 1280

00:59:00,270 --> 00:59:09,470

email every single federal worker on on

on the payroll that speaks to, um, uh, a

: 1281

00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:15,330

level of access that, uh, you know, That

there's all sorts of laws and regulations

: 1282

00:59:15,330 --> 00:59:20,680

that that, um, that regulate how any

employee, including the federal government

: 1283

00:59:20,830 --> 00:59:23,000

would have access to that information.

: 1284

00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:25,780

And 1 thing that make a nice

bridge between the disinformation

: 1285

00:59:25,790 --> 00:59:29,100

conversation and doge, uh, today, um.

: 1286

00:59:29,540 --> 00:59:35,480

Uh, Breitbart ran a headline saying

Doge announces the cancellation of NIH

: 1287

00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:42,770

grants for transgender experiments on

animals, which, of course, Trump said

: 1288

00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:54,100

they found a line item that the NIH

was sponsoring Um, transgender surgery

: 1289

00:59:54,180 --> 01:00:01,480

on, on, uh, on animals, uh, a statement

that is so ridiculous that on the face

: 1290

01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:06,380

of it should be dismissed, but Doge

has now doubled down and said, Oh, we

: 1291

01:00:06,380 --> 01:00:13,230

found that line item and what that is,

it's not transgender, uh, uh, animals.

: 1292

01:00:14,890 --> 01:00:16,840

Surgery on, on, on animals.

: 1293

01:00:17,170 --> 01:00:23,580

Um, it's transgenetic research and

I'm, this is right off the NIH website.

: 1294

01:00:23,820 --> 01:00:28,290

Transgenetic research is considered a

major technical advancement in the fields

: 1295

01:00:28,290 --> 01:00:30,780

of developmental biology and genetics.

: 1296

01:00:30,930 --> 01:00:35,220

The technology now referred to

as Transgenetic Mouse technology

: 1297

01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:39,810

has revolution revolutionized

virtually all fields of biology and

: 1298

01:00:39,810 --> 01:00:41,760

provided new genetic approaches.

: 1299

01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:44,480

to model human diseases.

: 1300

01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,655

So not only did they Get that wrong.

: 1301

01:00:47,715 --> 01:00:51,775

Try to turn it into a wedge issue, but

they've actually cancelled research.

: 1302

01:00:51,815 --> 01:00:53,685

That's helping save lives.

: 1303

01:00:53,915 --> 01:00:56,455

So this has nothing to do with efficiency

: 1304

01:00:56,965 --> 01:00:56,966

Chris P. Reed:

: 1305

01:00:56,966 --> 01:00:57,565

to their credit.

: 1306

01:00:57,565 --> 01:01:00,995

They've often say, oops, my bad a lot.

: 1307

01:01:01,035 --> 01:01:01,365

I bet.

: 1308

01:01:01,435 --> 01:01:01,815

Yeah.

: 1309

01:01:02,675 --> 01:01:03,315

Oops, my bad.

: 1310

01:01:03,375 --> 01:01:04,065

So, well,

: 1311

01:01:04,545 --> 01:01:05,395

Tony Tidbit: here's the thing though.

: 1312

01:01:05,465 --> 01:01:08,135

So right right now we're, we're in it.

: 1313

01:01:08,185 --> 01:01:08,595

Right?

: 1314

01:01:08,605 --> 01:01:11,635

So my final question and

then I got a bigger question.

: 1315

01:01:11,635 --> 01:01:14,635

I want to ask everybody, but my final

question, Kevin, I'm gonna come to you.

: 1316

01:01:14,635 --> 01:01:14,815

Okay.

: 1317

01:01:15,155 --> 01:01:19,365

Is that at the end of the

day, um, the, the tax cuts.

: 1318

01:01:19,575 --> 01:01:19,975

Okay.

: 1319

01:01:19,975 --> 01:01:21,215

So, uh, Dr.

: 1320

01:01:21,215 --> 01:01:24,415

Burton was saying, and, you know,

somebody's gonna get: 1200

: 1321

01:01:24,415 --> 01:01:28,215

I was gonna get a: 5000

really the tax cuts is for the 1%.

: 1322

01:01:29,455 --> 01:01:29,675

Okay.

: 1323

01:01:29,675 --> 01:01:30,085

To be fair.

: 1324

01:01:30,575 --> 01:01:32,985

All right, for the corporations

is for the billionaires.

: 1325

01:01:32,995 --> 01:01:37,495

They're the ones is going to benefit

the most out of these tax cuts.

: 1326

01:01:37,775 --> 01:01:43,055

And while to Louie and Chris's

point in terms of the efficient,

: 1327

01:01:43,095 --> 01:01:44,615

this is not being efficient.

: 1328

01:01:44,825 --> 01:01:48,455

This is tearing down organizations.

: 1329

01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:49,170

Right.

: 1330

01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:50,870

It's not going through with a scalpel.

: 1331

01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:57,190

It's not using as Louis said, um, uh,

forensic, uh, government individuals that

: 1332

01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:59,230

would know exactly where to go and look.

: 1333

01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:02,310

This is really just coming in with

a sledgehammer and tearing it down.

: 1334

01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:05,370

Do you see this moving forward?

: 1335

01:02:05,690 --> 01:02:08,070

Do you see the federal

government breaking?

: 1336

01:02:08,915 --> 01:02:10,275

Because it's not a startup.

: 1337

01:02:10,725 --> 01:02:15,415

Do you see this being a situation where

it's going to cause more harm that

: 1338

01:02:15,415 --> 01:02:17,105

we don't even know about right now?

: 1339

01:02:17,225 --> 01:02:20,735

Or do you just see this as, hey,

he's doing what he's supposed to do,

: 1340

01:02:20,895 --> 01:02:22,405

and this is going to save us money.

: 1341

01:02:22,585 --> 01:02:24,585

And more importantly, it's going

to make the country better.

: 1342

01:02:25,695 --> 01:02:29,275

Kevin Jenkins: Well, you asked

a lot of questions right there.

: 1343

01:02:29,515 --> 01:02:29,775

Excellent.

: 1344

01:02:29,845 --> 01:02:30,805

That was a lot.

: 1345

01:02:32,705 --> 01:02:33,665

So pick one.

: 1346

01:02:36,275 --> 01:02:38,735

Let's talk about the tax policies, right?

: 1347

01:02:38,735 --> 01:02:39,065

Yep.

: 1348

01:02:39,265 --> 01:02:42,555

The tax policies are

no tax on tips, right?

: 1349

01:02:42,995 --> 01:02:44,975

No tax on social security.

: 1350

01:02:44,985 --> 01:02:47,965

And what was the other one on

my brain did at this moment.

: 1351

01:02:48,235 --> 01:02:50,695

So his tax policies is

right in front of you.

: 1352

01:02:50,695 --> 01:02:54,655

He's trying to alleviate all of the

taxes and all of the things that hinder

: 1353

01:02:54,655 --> 01:02:59,455

us from, I believe of creating small

businesses or getting access to capital.

: 1354

01:02:59,635 --> 01:03:01,785

I mean, we have a lot of

barriers in front of us.

: 1355

01:03:01,795 --> 01:03:05,205

And I think a lot of those tax

policies are going to be very, very

: 1356

01:03:05,205 --> 01:03:08,355

helpful to the middle class and the

people that work hard every day.

: 1357

01:03:08,645 --> 01:03:09,305

I believe that.

: 1358

01:03:09,475 --> 01:03:10,375

That is proven.

: 1359

01:03:10,525 --> 01:03:13,735

When you do that, when you turn

on that faucet, that is proven.

: 1360

01:03:13,995 --> 01:03:18,085

Now, all the other policies, I'm not here

trying to figure out all of those other

: 1361

01:03:18,085 --> 01:03:22,585

things, but I'm suggesting that the more,

the less wars that we're in and the less

: 1362

01:03:22,585 --> 01:03:26,685

money that we spend all over the world

trying to dictate what other countries do

: 1363

01:03:26,885 --> 01:03:29,135

can bring more value to our bottom line.

: 1364

01:03:29,375 --> 01:03:32,165

If it's social services, whatever

that looks like in the future,

: 1365

01:03:32,455 --> 01:03:34,955

if it's education, whatever

that looks like in the future.

: 1366

01:03:35,185 --> 01:03:39,275

Or if it's something that will drive

economics and those local communities.

: 1367

01:03:39,295 --> 01:03:43,435

If that's in our future, I think that

opens up a big discussion for us to have.

: 1368

01:03:43,745 --> 01:03:47,745

So looking back and saying these,

these, um, um, prescriptions of

: 1369

01:03:47,755 --> 01:03:51,455

policy prescriptions were not were

helpful, but let's say which ones

: 1370

01:03:51,455 --> 01:03:52,675

are going to be better in the future.

: 1371

01:03:53,165 --> 01:03:54,685

What, why aren't we doing that?

: 1372

01:03:54,885 --> 01:03:58,215

All I hear from everybody is like Trump,

Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

: 1373

01:03:58,215 --> 01:03:59,165

And I'm like, well, wait a minute.

: 1374

01:03:59,365 --> 01:04:01,145

How did we find ourselves

here in the first place?

: 1375

01:04:01,965 --> 01:04:05,505

So here's an opportunity to move and

have a different kind of conversation.

: 1376

01:04:05,655 --> 01:04:06,935

So what's the problem with that?

: 1377

01:04:07,395 --> 01:04:10,105

Everything that elected officials

do is not going to be perfect.

: 1378

01:04:10,305 --> 01:04:13,655

Because I can go back verse and

chapter and verse and deal with that.

: 1379

01:04:13,835 --> 01:04:15,735

But what do we do about

moving in the future?

: 1380

01:04:16,185 --> 01:04:16,695

What about it?

: 1381

01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:17,221

Chris P. Reed:

: 1382

01:04:17,221 --> 01:04:21,070

So, so you would be against us

taking over Panama Canal, taking

: 1383

01:04:21,070 --> 01:04:24,150

over Greenland and annexing Canada

based on what you just said, correct?

: 1384

01:04:24,779 --> 01:04:25,630

Kevin Jenkins: I would be against

: 1385

01:04:25,630 --> 01:04:25,631

Chris P. Reed:

: 1386

01:04:25,631 --> 01:04:25,810

it.

: 1387

01:04:25,890 --> 01:04:28,180

Yes, because you just said

we're not trying to wage.

: 1388

01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:30,490

Kevin Jenkins: If it's an

economic opportunity for this

: 1389

01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,550

country, I would be for it.

: 1390

01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:32,650

Why would I not be for it?

: 1391

01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:33,620

Because you just said,

: 1392

01:04:33,630 --> 01:04:33,631

Chris P. Reed:

: 1393

01:04:33,631 --> 01:04:34,250

you just said.

: 1394

01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:34,529

No.

: 1395

01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:35,540

Louis Riveria: Colonialism.

: 1396

01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,230

Kevin Jenkins: No, I'm saying, no, no, no.

: 1397

01:04:38,490 --> 01:04:42,800

No, I'm saying, I'm not, some of his

prescriptions, the former, whoever you

: 1398

01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,480

like, just think, if you say for 20

years, 30 years, we supported this group.

: 1399

01:04:46,904 --> 01:04:49,885

They're policy prescriptions have not

really helped us in a big way at all

: 1400

01:04:50,045 --> 01:04:53,515

from an economic development perspective

or a community development perspective.

: 1401

01:04:53,515 --> 01:04:56,265

So I'm saying to you,

here's another alternative.

: 1402

01:04:56,295 --> 01:04:59,895

People are looking for that, even if

it's him or someone, someone else or

: 1403

01:04:59,895 --> 01:05:03,835

some other group, they're not buying it

anymore, which is selling and not buying

: 1404

01:05:04,175 --> 01:05:04,404

Tony Tidbit: right.

: 1405

01:05:04,415 --> 01:05:06,395

So, Kev,

: 1406

01:05:06,395 --> 01:05:09,705

Kevin Jenkins: there's going to be some

improvement on the tax side on the inside.

: 1407

01:05:09,715 --> 01:05:12,305

He's saying, listen, administrative

state, you've been running

: 1408

01:05:12,305 --> 01:05:13,465

this country into a hole.

: 1409

01:05:13,615 --> 01:05:16,045

It's his prerogative to get rid of them.

: 1410

01:05:16,535 --> 01:05:17,635

That's just prerogative.

: 1411

01:05:17,745 --> 01:05:18,355

It's business.

: 1412

01:05:18,355 --> 01:05:19,325

Get, he got rid of him.

: 1413

01:05:19,895 --> 01:05:20,815

Tony Tidbit: Here's the thing though.

: 1414

01:05:21,335 --> 01:05:25,175

And, and, and look, two things can

be right at the same time, right?

: 1415

01:05:25,995 --> 01:05:26,965

Where I, and Dr.

: 1416

01:05:26,965 --> 01:05:29,625

Burden, I want to give you the

final thought on this, but where

: 1417

01:05:29,625 --> 01:05:33,425

I struggle is that, and I'm just

listening to what you're saying and

: 1418

01:05:33,425 --> 01:05:34,935

I'm really trying to comprehend it.

: 1419

01:05:36,125 --> 01:05:39,915

The thing is, is this, it's

like for, until Trump showed

: 1420

01:05:39,915 --> 01:05:41,765

up, everything was horrible.

: 1421

01:05:43,065 --> 01:05:43,585

Okay.

: 1422

01:05:43,654 --> 01:05:44,865

The government was horrible.

: 1423

01:05:45,035 --> 01:05:46,015

We didn't grow.

: 1424

01:05:46,035 --> 01:05:47,835

We've been going backwards ever since.

: 1425

01:05:47,865 --> 01:05:49,055

And that's just not true.

: 1426

01:05:49,605 --> 01:05:49,895

Okay.

: 1427

01:05:49,955 --> 01:05:51,915

When Bill Clinton was

president Obama sold hope.

: 1428

01:05:51,915 --> 01:05:52,145

Obama sold hope.

: 1429

01:05:52,145 --> 01:05:52,510

Hold on.

: 1430

01:05:52,510 --> 01:05:52,855

Hold on.

: 1431

01:05:52,895 --> 01:05:53,695

No, no, no.

: 1432

01:05:54,279 --> 01:05:54,500

Kevin Jenkins: Kev.

: 1433

01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:55,260

Kev.

: 1434

01:05:55,585 --> 01:05:56,005

Kev.

: 1435

01:05:56,050 --> 01:05:59,500

Hold on, Kev, hold on, hold on, hold on.

: 1436

01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,220

Change whatever Clinton was.

: 1437

01:06:01,330 --> 01:06:01,820

Bill Clinton.

: 1438

01:06:01,825 --> 01:06:02,215

Clinton

: 1439

01:06:02,215 --> 01:06:03,385

Tony Tidbit: said You

wanna change tomorrow?

: 1440

01:06:03,385 --> 01:06:05,455

Wait a minute, when

Clinton gotta know that.

: 1441

01:06:05,545 --> 01:06:07,045

But here's, here's,

here's the thing though.

: 1442

01:06:07,045 --> 01:06:07,495

Kev on now.

: 1443

01:06:07,555 --> 01:06:09,265

When Clinton was president, come on.

: 1444

01:06:09,265 --> 01:06:09,595

Okay.

: 1445

01:06:09,595 --> 01:06:10,404

Let's be fair.

: 1446

01:06:10,495 --> 01:06:12,625

The economy grew like this.

: 1447

01:06:12,715 --> 01:06:13,195

Why?

: 1448

01:06:13,225 --> 01:06:14,995

Okay, why so?

: 1449

01:06:14,995 --> 01:06:15,775

Hold on one sec.

: 1450

01:06:15,805 --> 01:06:18,385

You just got a minute, minute.

: 1451

01:06:19,470 --> 01:06:22,220

My point is people forget that today.

: 1452

01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:23,000

Okay.

: 1453

01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,510

Now it's like for the last 20 years

or last 30 years, it's been horrible.

: 1454

01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:28,700

And this is not true.

: 1455

01:06:29,130 --> 01:06:30,540

That's my point here, right?

: 1456

01:06:31,470 --> 01:06:35,050

Kevin Jenkins: When I'm not suggesting

that the economy was bad for 50

: 1457

01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:39,220

years, I'm saying you had, you

asked a conversation for the last

: 1458

01:06:39,220 --> 01:06:41,400

16 years of those 12 years, right?

: 1459

01:06:41,630 --> 01:06:45,370

There's been no real growth in

my community whatsoever from

: 1460

01:06:45,370 --> 01:06:46,810

economic development perspective.

: 1461

01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,510

I'm looking at tax policy, so

the question was tax policies.

: 1462

01:06:50,779 --> 01:06:54,580

All of his tax policies freed up

capital to be dispersed into those

: 1463

01:06:54,590 --> 01:06:57,690

markets where people were spending

their money, stimulating the economy.

: 1464

01:06:57,900 --> 01:07:01,210

So I'm not, all of that emotional

stuff I'm not even interested in.

: 1465

01:07:01,420 --> 01:07:05,070

I'm saying here are some things that

he's doing and I can go on and on and

: 1466

01:07:05,130 --> 01:07:09,160

on and on without all of the other

color to it and say it's beneficial.

: 1467

01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:10,510

You just got to know why.

: 1468

01:07:11,335 --> 01:07:11,695

Right.

: 1469

01:07:11,995 --> 01:07:12,545

Okay.

: 1470

01:07:12,605 --> 01:07:13,385

That's all I'm saying.

: 1471

01:07:13,945 --> 01:07:14,225

Tony Tidbit: Dr.

: 1472

01:07:14,225 --> 01:07:14,495

Burton.

: 1473

01:07:14,495 --> 01:07:15,495

Last, last point.

: 1474

01:07:15,545 --> 01:07:16,515

Last thought on this.

: 1475

01:07:17,535 --> 01:07:17,536

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

: 1476

01:07:17,536 --> 01:07:22,745

I think that, um, a lot of people are

duplicitous and they say one thing

: 1477

01:07:22,745 --> 01:07:23,855

and they do something different.

: 1478

01:07:23,895 --> 01:07:28,175

I think Trump is a lot of people and

I think Elon Musk is a lot of people.

: 1479

01:07:28,955 --> 01:07:32,805

Um, and I do think that they are

not interested in efficiency.

: 1480

01:07:32,805 --> 01:07:38,085

They are interested in anarchy and

chaos and confusion, which is why

: 1481

01:07:38,095 --> 01:07:39,945

he makes these grand proclamations.

: 1482

01:07:40,005 --> 01:07:41,345

I mean, there are 101 lawsuits.

: 1483

01:07:41,375 --> 01:07:41,595

Now.

: 1484

01:07:41,595 --> 01:07:44,335

I think we're up to 101

lawsuits against things.

: 1485

01:07:44,335 --> 01:07:45,175

He said he's going to do.

: 1486

01:07:45,175 --> 01:07:45,835

He's done them.

: 1487

01:07:45,955 --> 01:07:47,625

He's not legally able to do them.

: 1488

01:07:47,825 --> 01:07:50,535

So now we got to go back and

figure out how to fix it.

: 1489

01:07:50,875 --> 01:07:53,705

You know, if they, if they

want to fix it, he's, he's, uh,

: 1490

01:07:53,715 --> 01:07:55,185

doubling down on some things too.

: 1491

01:07:55,185 --> 01:07:55,505

Right?

: 1492

01:07:55,935 --> 01:07:57,745

So I think that.

: 1493

01:07:57,745 --> 01:07:57,795

Okay.

: 1494

01:07:58,355 --> 01:07:59,515

We are in trouble.

: 1495

01:07:59,775 --> 01:08:03,375

I think that our government is

going to be broken even more so

: 1496

01:08:03,375 --> 01:08:05,695

than it already was challenged.

: 1497

01:08:05,705 --> 01:08:07,165

I won't say it was broken necessarily.

: 1498

01:08:07,375 --> 01:08:08,985

But yes, it needed to be more efficient.

: 1499

01:08:08,985 --> 01:08:09,775

I agree with that.

: 1500

01:08:10,355 --> 01:08:13,855

Does it need to be more efficient

by, um, telling people that they're

: 1501

01:08:13,855 --> 01:08:15,915

firing them for 4 performances?

: 1502

01:08:16,205 --> 01:08:20,325

And they're actually able to document

and to produce, uh, evidence that

: 1503

01:08:20,325 --> 01:08:21,845

they did not have poor performances.

: 1504

01:08:21,845 --> 01:08:25,245

They have been overperforming,

uh, for the last 10 years

: 1505

01:08:25,245 --> 01:08:26,215

that they've been in the role.

: 1506

01:08:26,585 --> 01:08:30,325

Um, and so I think that you have to

be more thoughtful and intentional.

: 1507

01:08:30,564 --> 01:08:34,734

I think that Louis was hit that was right

on target with the forensics accounting,

: 1508

01:08:34,925 --> 01:08:36,984

which typically happens and should happen.

: 1509

01:08:37,395 --> 01:08:40,604

Um, but no, I think our

anarchy is the order of the

: 1510

01:08:40,604 --> 01:08:43,245

day and it's an abuse of power.

: 1511

01:08:43,725 --> 01:08:47,705

Um, Elon Musk having access to

all of our private information,

: 1512

01:08:48,205 --> 01:08:49,765

uh, is an abuse of power.

: 1513

01:08:50,165 --> 01:08:51,675

We did not elect him, by the way.

: 1514

01:08:52,335 --> 01:08:56,205

Um, and so no, I don't

think that is sufficiency.

: 1515

01:08:56,265 --> 01:08:59,635

I think we are in trouble and

no one is coming to save us.

: 1516

01:09:00,865 --> 01:09:01,444

Tony Tidbit: All right.

: 1517

01:09:01,665 --> 01:09:04,274

Well, listen, let's get final thoughts.

: 1518

01:09:04,335 --> 01:09:04,975

Okay.

: 1519

01:09:05,125 --> 01:09:07,524

Appreciate the last, uh, the last segment.

: 1520

01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:09,279

Louis, kick us off, buddy.

: 1521

01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:10,490

Where do you want to leave the audience?

: 1522

01:09:11,740 --> 01:09:13,760

Louis Riveria: I think we're

at a unique moment in time.

: 1523

01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:15,319

We're at a crossroads.

: 1524

01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:21,920

Um, I think many of us, I think

the country in general has trouble

: 1525

01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:26,649

wrapping their head around what's

actually occurring because we

: 1526

01:09:26,649 --> 01:09:28,229

believe it can't happen here.

: 1527

01:09:28,729 --> 01:09:30,580

And it is happening here.

: 1528

01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:33,069

Uh, and the reasons for it.

: 1529

01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:35,500

Um, are complex.

: 1530

01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,050

I don't think there's a,

a single answer to that.

: 1531

01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:42,660

I think that's something that historians

might look back on on this period in time.

: 1532

01:09:42,660 --> 01:09:48,295

And, um, uh, And help explain what

it is that we're undergoing the

: 1533

01:09:48,295 --> 01:09:53,665

Weimar Republic just before, um, uh,

Hitler sees power was 1 of the most

: 1534

01:09:53,665 --> 01:09:56,025

sophisticated societies on on the planet.

: 1535

01:09:56,425 --> 01:10:01,105

Um, so I think we're living

through challenging times.

: 1536

01:10:01,105 --> 01:10:04,895

I think it's important for us to continue

discussing the issues in an open way in an

: 1537

01:10:04,905 --> 01:10:08,155

honest way, being intellectually honest.

: 1538

01:10:08,455 --> 01:10:10,535

It's important to discern

fact from fiction.

: 1539

01:10:10,715 --> 01:10:16,485

Hyperbole and most importantly, and this

is what I've shared with my daughters

: 1540

01:10:16,725 --> 01:10:20,965

is that it's important for us to build

the communities that we want to live in.

: 1541

01:10:21,205 --> 01:10:25,635

The government might not reflect our

values, but we do retain the ability to

: 1542

01:10:25,645 --> 01:10:32,184

build the sort of communities and lives

that that we want to live in and that.

: 1543

01:10:32,555 --> 01:10:35,105

For the moment is still

within our purview.

: 1544

01:10:35,455 --> 01:10:39,535

So, uh, I look forward to continuing

these types of conversations because

: 1545

01:10:39,535 --> 01:10:40,895

I think it's healthy to discuss it.

: 1546

01:10:41,345 --> 01:10:45,105

Um, and I, I try and stay

optimistic about the future.

: 1547

01:10:45,745 --> 01:10:46,265

Tony Tidbit: Awesome.

: 1548

01:10:46,495 --> 01:10:46,995

Gav,

: 1549

01:10:47,585 --> 01:10:49,105

Kevin Jenkins: well,

thank you for inviting me.

: 1550

01:10:49,135 --> 01:10:50,565

I love these conversations.

: 1551

01:10:50,605 --> 01:10:52,985

I mean, they're really

heartfelt conversations.

: 1552

01:10:52,985 --> 01:10:54,265

I think we should be open to it.

: 1553

01:10:54,315 --> 01:10:57,095

And, um, I think this is a

great time for the country.

: 1554

01:10:57,525 --> 01:11:01,425

I think this is a great time for my

group to do some real reassessment of

: 1555

01:11:01,425 --> 01:11:03,085

where we see ourselves in the future.

: 1556

01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:06,680

And everybody's, you know, thoughts

are very, very helpful as long as

: 1557

01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,640

they are built on with context.

: 1558

01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:09,930

And I really appreciate that.

: 1559

01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:11,350

And, um, thank you.

: 1560

01:11:11,380 --> 01:11:13,100

Anytime you want me to

come on, I'll come on.

: 1561

01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:14,200

It was a great conversation.

: 1562

01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:14,895

I appreciate it.

: 1563

01:11:15,325 --> 01:11:16,184

Tony Tidbit: Thank you, my brother.

: 1564

01:11:16,434 --> 01:11:17,184

Dr Burton.

: 1565

01:11:18,295 --> 01:11:18,296

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

: 1566

01:11:18,296 --> 01:11:19,705

Uh, thank you for having me.

: 1567

01:11:19,745 --> 01:11:25,635

I think that we need to, um, be very clear

about how we communicate, uh, particularly

: 1568

01:11:25,635 --> 01:11:29,825

when it comes to these disinformation

and misinformation campaigns, uh,

: 1569

01:11:29,835 --> 01:11:33,535

that influence people to do things

that are against their own interests.

: 1570

01:11:33,955 --> 01:11:37,475

Um, I think that people need to

think for themselves and think

: 1571

01:11:37,535 --> 01:11:41,455

critically of all involved, whether

it's your party or another party.

: 1572

01:11:42,115 --> 01:11:47,795

Um, and I think that people have to

stand up to what is happening, um,

: 1573

01:11:47,815 --> 01:11:49,245

or else we're going to get run over.

: 1574

01:11:49,315 --> 01:11:50,695

I mean, we're being run over now.

: 1575

01:11:51,215 --> 01:11:56,005

Um, and so it's important to understand

the policies that are in place is

: 1576

01:11:56,005 --> 01:11:59,285

important to understand where they

come from, and the history behind them.

: 1577

01:11:59,725 --> 01:12:02,240

It's important to see who has done what.

: 1578

01:12:02,730 --> 01:12:06,500

It is important to understand that there

was a lot of rebuilding that had to be

: 1579

01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:11,790

done in this last administration based on

the devastation of the 45 administration.

: 1580

01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:15,080

Um, and so some of the things you

may have thought you were going

: 1581

01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,600

to see, and you weren't able to

see, uh, were because of that.

: 1582

01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:22,309

But I think, ultimately, what we need to

do, and I think Louis hit the nail on the

: 1583

01:12:22,309 --> 01:12:26,820

head in that way is to learn how to live

together and how we're going to do that.

: 1584

01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:28,490

And what does that look like?

: 1585

01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:32,910

And how we're going to be accountable

to and for each other because we're

: 1586

01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:34,660

not, you know, we're not going anywhere.

: 1587

01:12:34,660 --> 01:12:35,809

People are saying, oh,

I'm going to go here.

: 1588

01:12:35,809 --> 01:12:36,410

I'm going to go there.

: 1589

01:12:36,590 --> 01:12:38,320

Some people are going to

become expats for sure.

: 1590

01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:39,740

Some people became experts last.

: 1591

01:12:40,090 --> 01:12:43,850

Uh, administration, some people became

expats and with 45 administration,

: 1592

01:12:44,180 --> 01:12:47,450

um, but, you know, ultimately we

are all here and we all have to live

: 1593

01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:51,130

together in the same neighborhoods,

go to the same schools, um, different

: 1594

01:12:51,130 --> 01:12:52,360

churches because it's America.

: 1595

01:12:53,210 --> 01:12:57,900

But ultimately, we want to figure out

how to live together in a way that is

: 1596

01:12:57,900 --> 01:13:03,320

meaningful and to have a government that

works for the needs of all, not just some.

: 1597

01:13:04,195 --> 01:13:04,715

Tony Tidbit: I love it.

: 1598

01:13:04,805 --> 01:13:05,415

I love it.

: 1599

01:13:05,415 --> 01:13:09,045

I really, so number one, we want

to thank you guys for coming on,

: 1600

01:13:09,055 --> 01:13:11,075

having a very spirited conversation.

: 1601

01:13:11,545 --> 01:13:13,975

These are conversations

that we have to have.

: 1602

01:13:14,445 --> 01:13:15,085

Okay.

: 1603

01:13:15,325 --> 01:13:19,915

Uh, to be honest, I sat here today and

I learned, I learned a couple of things,

: 1604

01:13:20,295 --> 01:13:21,725

which was great that I didn't know.

: 1605

01:13:21,735 --> 01:13:26,195

So I want to thank the guests for coming

on and sitting down around the round

: 1606

01:13:26,195 --> 01:13:27,625

table and sharing their perspective.

: 1607

01:13:27,785 --> 01:13:31,245

So now I think it's

time for Tony's Tidbit.

: 1608

01:13:31,575 --> 01:13:38,005

So, the Tidbit today, economic storms

and political shifts may shift the table,

: 1609

01:13:38,015 --> 01:13:43,325

may shake the table, but the same hands

that cast the vote have the power to

: 1610

01:13:43,515 --> 01:13:47,115

rebuild when the systems try to break us.

: 1611

01:13:47,555 --> 01:13:50,375

Our communities are

built to weather it all.

: 1612

01:13:51,115 --> 01:13:54,434

And you heard a lot about

community and stuff today on

: 1613

01:13:54,434 --> 01:13:56,155

this episode of pull up speak up,

: 1614

01:13:57,235 --> 01:13:57,236

Chris P. Reed:

: 1615

01:13:57,236 --> 01:14:00,175

and this is a time in our program

where we want to make sure that

: 1616

01:14:00,175 --> 01:14:04,835

you tune in to our segment need to

know when the singer tune in to Dr.

: 1617

01:14:04,835 --> 01:14:09,715

Burton segment need to know, uh, black as

you get a perspective podcast is where Dr.

: 1618

01:14:09,715 --> 01:14:12,755

Burton dives into timely and

cultural topics that shape

: 1619

01:14:12,755 --> 01:14:14,415

our community and our world.

: 1620

01:14:14,635 --> 01:14:15,895

And you just got a slice.

: 1621

01:14:16,225 --> 01:14:21,165

A piece of what that could, that

could entail each and every week.

: 1622

01:14:21,165 --> 01:14:22,684

So make sure you don't want to miss it.

: 1623

01:14:23,205 --> 01:14:24,305

Tony Tidbit: You don't want to miss it.

: 1624

01:14:24,305 --> 01:14:26,655

And you don't want to miss the

next episode of the black executive

: 1625

01:14:26,655 --> 01:14:30,495

perspective podcast, where we bring

those hardcore conversations, powerful

: 1626

01:14:30,505 --> 01:14:32,775

insights on the issues that matter most.

: 1627

01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:36,090

It's not just a discussion, it's

a movement, so don't miss the

: 1628

01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:39,840

next chance to tune in to be

inspired and join the conversation.

: 1629

01:14:40,730 --> 01:14:40,731

Chris P. Reed:

: 1630

01:14:40,731 --> 01:14:42,740

We also like to impart our call to action.

: 1631

01:14:42,740 --> 01:14:46,510

We always want you to remember

incorporating less, L E S S.

: 1632

01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:50,520

Our goal here is to eliminate all forms

of discrimination, and to achieve this,

: 1633

01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,635

we're asking everyone to embrace L E S S.

: 1634

01:14:54,075 --> 01:15:00,465

So the L stands for learn, educate

yourself on racial and cultural nuances.

: 1635

01:15:00,934 --> 01:15:04,645

I love the fact that we today didn't get

a chance to hear ourselves in an echo

: 1636

01:15:04,645 --> 01:15:08,515

chamber and we had different perspectives

of thought, experience, education,

: 1637

01:15:08,515 --> 01:15:13,135

location, and things of that nature

were passionate, enlightened individuals

: 1638

01:15:13,135 --> 01:15:14,445

were able to speak their piece.

: 1639

01:15:14,745 --> 01:15:17,085

And we went away with something

that we didn't have when we

: 1640

01:15:17,085 --> 01:15:18,015

got into this conversation.

: 1641

01:15:18,705 --> 01:15:19,635

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

: 1642

01:15:19,635 --> 01:15:24,045

And then after you learn, you have E,

which stands for empathy, to be open

: 1643

01:15:24,045 --> 01:15:28,215

to understanding diverse views, so

you can put yourself in their shoes.

: 1644

01:15:28,395 --> 01:15:29,865

And we did a lot of that today.

: 1645

01:15:29,865 --> 01:15:31,245

We had a lot of diverse views.

: 1646

01:15:31,845 --> 01:15:34,155

Views here, which enlightened us all.

: 1647

01:15:34,965 --> 01:15:34,966

Chris P. Reed:

: 1648

01:15:34,966 --> 01:15:37,555

And the first S stands for share.

: 1649

01:15:38,245 --> 01:15:41,635

You want to share your insights and

enlighten others wherever you can.

: 1650

01:15:41,635 --> 01:15:42,630

Don't hide it, divide it.

: 1651

01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,440

And make sure that you can dismantle

misinformation where it comes before you.

: 1652

01:15:48,260 --> 01:15:49,890

Tony Tidbit: And the final S is for stop.

: 1653

01:15:49,930 --> 01:15:53,620

We want to actively stop

discrimination as it walks in our path.

: 1654

01:15:53,980 --> 01:15:58,100

So if Aunt Jenny or Uncle Joe say

something at the Sunday dinner table

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that's inappropriate, you say, Aunt Jenny,

Uncle Joe, we don't believe that, we don't

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say that, and you stop it right there.

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So if everyone can

incorporate less, L E S S.

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We'll build a more fair, more

understanding world, and we'll be

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able to see the change that we want

to see because less will become more.

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Chris P. Reed:

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We'd like to encourage you to tune in

to future episodes that we have of all

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of our different shows that we provide

here on A Black Is In The Perspective.

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Go back and look at some of the previous

episodes of Pull Up, Speak Up, and other

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things that we've done in the past.

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You'll be thoroughly entertained.

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Tony

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Tony Tidbit: Buddy.

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They can find a Black Executive

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And you can follow us on our socials of X,

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Louis Rivera.

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Kevin D.

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Jenkins, Dr.

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Nsenga Burton, for the co host with the

most, my boy down in Dallas, Chris P.

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Reed.

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I'm Tony Tidbit.

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We talked about it.

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We laughed about it.

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We screamed about it.

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We had a good time about it.

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We love you.

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And guess what?

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We're out.

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A Black

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Kevin Jenkins: Executive Perspective.