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The Shock Doctrine Exposed: How Power Exploits Chaos, And How We Fight Back

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In this episode of A Black Executive Perspective podcast, host Tony Tidbit discusses the concept of disaster capitalism with Brad Bowling, President of Code M Magazine. They explore the Shock Doctrine, a strategy where political actors exploit crises to introduce controversial policies that benefit corporate interests and disenfranchise citizens. The discussion covers the ripple effects of such policies on marginalized communities and how men of color can respond. They emphasize the importance of community service and grassroots activism to counteract the overwhelming political and economic shifts. The episode also highlights practical steps individuals can take to make a difference in their communities.


▶︎ In This Episode

00:00: Introduction and Movie Reference

00:42: Podcast Introduction and Guest Introduction

01:18: Discussion on Disaster Capitalism

05:17: The Shock Doctrine Explained

08:18: Impact on Real Estate and Economy

10:26: Political and Social Ramifications

19:49: Call to Action and Conclusion

27:29: The Importance of Voting and Local Elections

29:18: The Role of Protests and Prayer in Social Change

30:51: The Impact of Government Policies on Society

34:31: The Hypocrisy in Government and Corporate Practices

39:49: The Role of Men in Society and Community Service

45:24: The Power of Community and Accountability

46:50: Tony's Tidbit and Final Thoughts

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Tony Tidbit:

What's the movie with Wesley Snipes and um, um, um,

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it was about the crack epidemic.

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New Jack City.

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New Jack City, new Jack City.

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Remember?

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So when he, when they wanted to

take over the apartment building,

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he said, look, yeah, either they'll,

either they'll be you taking the car.

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We, we gonna take the Carter.

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And they said either they'll be,

uh, uh, excellent customers or

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they'll be lived-in hostages.

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What?

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Alright.

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Right.

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And not where people here in United

States now becoming live-in hostages.

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You are live-in hostages.

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'cause they, they've been overwhelmed.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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In terms of.

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All these things that's happening,

that's still happening and

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they don't know what to do.

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We'll discuss race and how it plays

a factor and how we didn't even talk

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about this topic 'cause we were afraid

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BEP Narrator: A Black

Executive Perspective.

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Tony Tidbit: We're coming to you live from

our new BEP studio for another thought

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provoking episode of A Black Executive

Perspective podcast, A safe space where

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we discuss all matters regarding race.

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Culture and those uncomfortable

topics people tend to avoid.

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I'm your host Tony Tidbit.

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So before we get started on a

fantastic episode, I wanna remind

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everyone to definitely check out

our partners at Code M Magazine,

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whose mission is to save the black

family by first saving the black man.

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So check them out@codemmagazine.com.

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That is code m magazine.com

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and speaking of code m magazine.com

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today, I.

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Brad Bowling, the president of

Code M Magazine, joins us for a

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powerful conversation on how disaster

capitalism and political chaos.

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This unfortunately affect

marginalized communities from

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the ripple effects of pol.

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Decisions to the responsibility

of media will explore how men

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of color can rise, respond, and

reclaim agency in a world built.

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To keep them reactive

instead of proactive.

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I know Brad has been on before,

but lemme tell you a little bit

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about my partner, uh, Brad Bowling.

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Brad Bowling is a nationally recognized

thought leader, dynamic speaker, and

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respected voice on the intersection

of race, media, and empowerment.

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As president of Code M Magazine, he

brings a powerful vision to life.

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One rooted in transformation,

truth telling, and elevating the

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lived experience of men of color.

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Brad is a sought after panelist,

host and presenter who leads bold

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conversations that challenge perceptions

and ignite progress at CODE M Magazine.

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As I talked about earlier, their mission

is clear to empower men of color by

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showcasing their strength, resilience, and

potential through compelling storytelling

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and positive re representation.

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The magazine shines as a light on the

diverse realities of black and brown men

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balancing the weight of responsibility.

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I.

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With the pursuit of legacy,

family, and self-determination.

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Brad Bowling, my brother.

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Welcome back to Code M.

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Excuse me.

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Welcome back to A Black Executive

Perspective podcast, my man.

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I'm just forgetting

that we're intertwined.

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Welcome back to Code M Magazine.

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Man.

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Brad Bowling: We took over your company.

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Yeah.

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No, you said it right.

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You said it right.

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I, I see right.

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I'm, I'm

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Tony Tidbit: subliminally.

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I'm calling you Code M

and calling me Blanc.

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He said so.

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We'll, we'll figure it out.

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But regardless, my brother.

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I'm glad you came back to talk about

a very important, important topic.

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So before we dive deep, man, give

us a little bit about what you've

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been doing over the last few months

since the last time we saw you.

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Brad Bowling: Man, you know, got

through winter spring is coming.

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Uh, excited to get some warmer

weather, but you know, we've had

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three incredible issues of Code

M our January, February, March.

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Issues were impactful and, uh, you know,

with the change in the administration,

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we've been able to kind of cover.

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Not from a political perspective,

but from a human perspective, what

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is going on around the country, how

people's anxiety, uh, is different.

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And then just the ripple effect of what is

going on around the country and how people

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are kind of like thinking, surviving,

talking about some of the changes that

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are coming so quickly, um, that are

impacting people at a visceral level.

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Tony Tidbit: I know, buddy, I've read

a lot of, uh, the, your articles that

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have come out and you guys are hitting

a home run, and we're gonna talk

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about one of them, the Shock doctrine.

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But, you know, we're so glad that we

have you and other publications across

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the country that's actually doing

and really trying to educate and more

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importantly, go on to the offensive.

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In terms of what's happening from

an administrative standpoint.

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So we're definitely gonna dive in.

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You ready to talk about it?

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My brother?

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Brad Bowling: Man, let's go.

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Tony Tidbit: Alright

bro, let's talk about it.

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So a few minutes ago you talked

about the ripple effect, right?

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And you talk about, you know, since

th,:

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different changes, a lot of things that's

been going on and going on very quickly.

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To a point where, you know, by the time

you says, I can't believe, and next thing

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you know, you're like, I can't believe.

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Right?

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And then next thing you know,

you kidding me, this too.

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Right, right.

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So it's coming.

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It's a bullet.

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It's a rapid fire situation.

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And so this is nothing new though.

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Right.

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And you wrote about this in the

article called The Shock Doctrine.

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So talk a little bit first,

what is the shock doctrine?

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Brad Bowling: The Shock Doctrine

is a process that governments use

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to create crisis with the public

to introduce new platforms, laws,

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rules, uh, changes in policy, right?

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So they keep you off kilter and

then they numb you to the point to

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where you can't keep up and you're

so shocked by what's going on.

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They sneak in.

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They enact laws and policies that

you're not prepared for because

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you're in a state of shock.

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So what the, what the Trump

administration is doing is not new.

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It's actually, there is a book written

about it and we just use the book as

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a form of expression to, to let people

know, listen what you're experiencing.

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This is not an accident.

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Right.

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And so a lot of times governments will

play around with people's emotions.

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You know, we have false flags.

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Uh, that governments enact, and

that's a whole different conversation.

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But the, Shock Doctrine is a part B to

kind of having a false flag where they

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introduce chaos, uh, where you feel

like you can't keep up and you don't

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understand what's going on, and they're

actually going off of a playbook that

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kind of tells them what to do first.

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Let's, let's create a, a controversy or

a, you know, a, a cascading effect of

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laws, policies that keep you off kilter.

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So you can't keep up to plan

A before plan B comes out.

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And by the time Plan C comes out,

you're just now digesting plan A.

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And you, you, you don't know what to do.

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Uh, and so the Trump administration

is playing by up a certain playbook.

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They're winning using this

playbook because right now

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America doesn't know what to do.

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Tony Tidbit: Absolutely, ma'am.

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I'm gonna read this outta your, um, uh,

excerpt, outta your article that, uh,

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you wrote the, so the Shock Doctrine.

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Yeah.

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And so here I quote, it

says, the Shock Doctrine.

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The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a

two,:

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and social activist, knowing, knowing

Na, knowing Naomi Klein, Naomi.

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Yep.

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In this book, Klein argues that

neoliberalism economic policies promoted

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by Milton Freeman and the Chicago School

of Economics have risen to a global

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prominence because of the deliberate

strategy she calls disaster capitalism.

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And here she says, and it kind of speaks

to what you said in this strategy.

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Political actors exploit the chaos of

national disasters, wars, and other

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crisis to push through on popular policies

such as deregulation and privatization.

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The eco economic shock therapy favors

corporate interests while disadvantaging

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and disenfranchising citizens when

they are too distracted and overwhelmed

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to respond to effective resistance.

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So buddy.

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Talk a little bit about, give us some

examples of how that's happening today.

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Brad Bowling: Well, if you take a

look at the real estate market, right?

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Um, if you took, if you take a look

at BlackRock and some of the other

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large corporations, when they're

saying, well, people shouldn't

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own anything, we should have a

society where everybody are renters.

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Look at what's going on with

the cost of living right now.

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You can't afford, I, I mean, just

in four years, the cost of a home,

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which used to be two 50, is now 500.

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That house was, which

was 500, is now seven 50.

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So my kids who are 26, 24, 21 20,

can they afford a home going forward?

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Can they live in the neighborhood

that they were raised in?

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I don't know.

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And so if you take a look at what's

going on, that's one example of the shock

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doctrine where people even working two

jobs, even being married, a husband and

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a wife's income may not guarantee you

a piece of the American pie anymore.

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Tony Tidbit: So, and I

definitely get that part right.

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Yeah.

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And, and, and to be fair though, to be

fair, you know, those things have been

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rising, uh, before Trump became president.

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Right?

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True.

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But, but if you add on some of the other

things, like, well, let's be clear, right?

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The immigration policies, okay?

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Then you have Doge, where now you're

cutting people and, uh, you have

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a, a, a, a foreigner, uh, the,

the, the richest man in the world.

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Going through the government

with a, with a chainsaw.

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All right.

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And slashing jobs.

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Okay.

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And sending emails, telling them

that the people at the federal

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government, that they have to tell him

by tomorrow, what's the five things

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that they got going on this week?

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What can do today?

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Yeah.

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And if they don't do that, they get fired.

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Okay.

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Then you have the tariffs, which is now,

uh, uh, uh, a wrecking havoc in our,

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our financial, uh, uh, institutions.

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Correct.

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Uh, it was six and a half

trillion dollars lost in two days.

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Right.

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Okay.

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And then he changes policy and

says, we gonna, we gonna pause

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these tariffs for 90 days.

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And the stock market comes up.

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And then you have the,

the eradication of DEI.

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Where now you're seeing

people, uh, lose their jobs.

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And here's the kicker.

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Okay, here's the kicker.

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I.

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There's, you know, when, you know,

unfortunately they painted the word DEI as

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meaning black or people of color, right?

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Right.

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But the people that's losing their jobs

ain't black, ain't people of color, right?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So, so now you have chaos, everything that

you talk about, and this is not women.

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Let's be fair, uh, the, the

date of this recording of this

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episode is April, uh, uh, 10th.

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Right.

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The dude's been in office

70 days, I mean, 80 days.

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Okay.

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Right, right.

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So, so all these things are

happening at the same time.

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And to your point, all the other

things that we've been dealing

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with, the cost of living and two

parents and all those things.

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But then you have a president coming

in and just tearing up the, the, the

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mindset and just throwing all these

things where people can't respond and

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then they become, um, what's that?

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Remember?

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You ever saw the movie?

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You ever saw the movie?

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Uh, um.

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Um, uh, what's the movie with

Wesley Snipes and, um, um,

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um, about the crack epidemic?

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New Jack City.

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New Jack City, new Jack City.

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Remember?

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So when he, when they wanted to take over

the apartment building, he said, look,

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yeah, either they'll, either they'll

be taking the car, we gonna take the

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Carter, and they said either they'll be.

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Uh, uh, excellent customers or

they'll be lived in hostages.

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Right.

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Alright.

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And that's where people here in United

States now becoming lived-in hostages.

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You are lived-in hostages.

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They, they've been overwhelmed.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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In terms of all these things that's

happening, that's still happening

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and they don't know what to do.

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Let me hear your thoughts on that.

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Brad Bowling: Yeah.

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Listen, no one is safe, okay?

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You come from the grocery store,

you're overpaying for eggs.

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You get in your car, you're

paying too much for gas.

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You go to your house where your

variable interest rate just doubled,

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then you got laid off from your job.

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You're not in the hood, you're

in the, this is happening to the

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people in the suburbs right now.

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Washington, DC is upside down.

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They don't know what to do out there.

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Uh, prince George's County where we

dominate, uh, in terms of race and income,

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they don't know what to do out there.

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Brad Bowling: more

importantly, across America.

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All the departments of

government are being impacted.

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And Tony, it's not just that

nonprofits are being impacted.

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I have a cousin who was personally

impacted because she had a

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scholarship, uh, that one of the

programs that the federal government

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was sponsoring was canceled.

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And now she's scrambling trying

to figure out, okay, and coming up

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in the fall, how am I gonna go to

the same institution paying, where

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am I getting this money to pay?

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When I had a full ride scholarship,

uh, that was gonna put her.

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And an incredible career that is gone now.

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So people, at every income level,

every level of education, every

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community is being impacted by this.

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You have, uh, organizations that

would disseminate money to lower

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organizations that now can't do it.

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And so you have food banks across

the country now being impacted.

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Every facet of life is being impacted.

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Your 401k as you're, as you know,

you're a retired school teacher, your

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school district had money in the market.

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That's, it's lost half its value.

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Your 401k is now worth half of

what it used to be in two months.

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Tony Tidbit: It's insane, man.

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But backing up, speaking on in terms of,

it's, it's affecting everyone, right?

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Yeah.

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Um, and we just got finished talk.

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I just got finished stating

that it was certain voters.

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'cause let's be fair though, too.

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This, a lot of this, it's not a surprise.

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He ran on these things in terms of what

he was going to do, um, in the campaign.

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All right?

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In terms of getting rid of DEI, uh,

terrorists, deportation, shrinking

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the deportation, shrinking the

government, all these things right now.

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He didn't go into the details in

terms of that you're gonna lose

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$8 trillion in a couple of days.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Or yeah, or people who are not,

uh, uh, illegal aliens getting,

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you know, caught up by ice and

being deported, uh, uh, deported.

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And they can't get, they don't have

no recourse or no legal, you know,

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ramifications to get, say this is wrong.

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So he didn't get into all that.

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But my question is.

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There was a base of voters

that did vote for him.

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So are you seeing their perspectives

change based on what's been happening and

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how they're getting caught up in the wash?

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Brad Bowling: Well, I think the

responses across the board, right?

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So you have some people

who have buyer's remorse.

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They voted for him, but they did not

know that his actions would impact them.

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They were naive to it, I guess.

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I don't know.

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Uh, a lot of the American rule.

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Uh, a rural America voted for him,

but guess what's happening to farmers?

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He took all of their

employees away, right?

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And then if you come into the cities,

you, I think you have some people

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saying, well, let's give them time.

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Let's see if the tariffs work.

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I don't know.

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And then when they lose half their

income or their retirement through stock

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options, or, you know, they saw Tesla go

from whatever it was down to half, right?

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Uh, now they're in shock to saying,

wow, I don't know what's going on.

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So, you know, unfortunately.

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We all are kind of victims right now.

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We're all handcuffed.

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Just kind of we're at the

mercy of Donald Trump, bro.

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Tony Tidbit: Buddy, I just told you.

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Hey, I told you New Jack City,

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Brad Bowling: right?

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The only people, Tony, the only people

impacted right now are the poor and broke.

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They didn't have anything to lose anyway.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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That's why you see 'em line dancing

with the, with the, with the fans.

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1, 2, 3,

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Tony Tidbit: Nino Brown.

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He was like, either they'll be, they'll

be great customers or they'll be living

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in hostages and that's why they are.

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Yeah.

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Well, let me ask you this though, ma'am.

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So, and, and let's back up and talk

about the DEI 'cause a lot of this,

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to be fair, you know, Trump, let's be

fair, he used race to divide people.

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Okay?

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Right.

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To get them to vote a certain way.

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Okay.

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And, and, uh, and, and, and not

everybody, but some of his, some of

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those people thought that these things

would only happen to people they thought.

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Was getting stuff for free, or they

got these policies to help them

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out, which we know is not true.

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Right.

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Okay.

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So there was a, a divide to be fair, right

now, people don't even say it, but there

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was a, a, you can see the, the races, you

know, becoming more uh, uh, uh, widen.

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All right.

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Do you think now, based on

everybody's not dealing with

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this, there's a reality check.

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That this wasn't just about,

uh, people I thought was

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getting more advantages than me.

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Now everybody's dealing with, so

do you see this as a possibility

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for more cross-racial coalitions?

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In terms of people coming

together and saying, you know

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what, we're on the same boat.

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We shouldn't have listened to this

person, or whatever the case may be.

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We should come together and all

of us collectively fight back.

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Brad Bowling: Yeah, well, you know, it

was starting to happen even under the

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Biden administration when you saw the San

Franciscos and the Oaklands of the world

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where, you know, crime was so rampant,

it was impacting you at the ATM machine.

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You know, uh, vacationers are getting

their cars broken in and luggage stolen,

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and so crime was starting to permeate into

the suburbs and the white communities and

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at the bank where you couldn't even walk

out the bank depositing or getting some

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money for, you know, a new barbecue grill

before you're getting cracked on the head.

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Or followed home and getting robbed.

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So we were already starting to see,

you know, crime change right now under

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the Trump administration, where his

decisions are impacting everybody.

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It will be interesting to

see over the next four years

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how Americans react to this.

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Tony Tidbit: So, yeah, and

go ahead, finish your thought

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Brad Bowling: there.

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There's a contraction in

some of the rules, right?

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So, you know, the black way of life

is being attacked, where you know, the

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right to vote is under attack right now,

where they're making it harder to vote.

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Um, you're seeing people kind

of be stripped of their heritage

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where, you know, DEI wasn't real.

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I mean, listen, in theory it was, it was

for blacks, but we always knew the truth.

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Now what they thought was DEI

it we're, we're now starting to

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understand who it's impacting.

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So we'll see.

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That's my point.

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What looks like over the

next four years Exactly.

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So I think everybody is waking up to

the idea that no one is safe, and we

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have more in common than ever before.

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Tony.

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The changes that he's making because it's

impacting everybody at their pocketbook.

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Tony Tidbit: Exactly.

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And I love what you said.

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We have more, we've

always had more in common.

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Brad Bowling: We do.

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Okay.

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Tony Tidbit: To be fair,

they don't think we have

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Brad Bowling: more in common, but we do.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

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And but they, they did that on the, the

powers to be, do that on purpose, to get

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us fighting against once, uh, amongst

each other so they can stay in control.

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Right.

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Let's divide and conquer.

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Correct.

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Let me ask you this.

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What made you write this article?

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Okay, and let's be fair, you guys, this

ain't the first time that you, that's

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one thing I love about your magazine.

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You always are educating people and

trying to get them to see things

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that they may, may not be privy to.

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But what was the reason for

you to write this article?

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Brad Bowling: Well, I wanted to

write the article because we noticed

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during the pandemic that everybody

had different levels of anxiety

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and people were falling apart.

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By what was going on with the pandemic.

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The same thing was happening

with the Trump administration.

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So when he won the night that he won,

I think I had three, four people tell

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me they were leaving the country.

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Okay.

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That's how bad it was.

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And then as he took office, you started

to see even more people say, listen,

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man, I, I got heart palpitations.

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I don't know what's going on.

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I have trepidation, I'm

fearful, I'm scared.

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I don't know what the future looks like.

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You know, what are we gonna do?

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And I'm like, what?

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Wait a minute.

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You do realize this is all by design.

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Tony Tidbit: Correct?

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It.

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Brad Bowling: I think a lot of people

thought that what was going on was

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abnormal and they didn't understand it.

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So we wrote the shock doctrine to

educate people, this is what is going on.

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This is how you need to be prepared.

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Stop looking at the

distraction and stay focused.

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Right?

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Stay focused America, because if

you take your eye off the ball.

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You are going to suffer even more.

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So people who weren't prepared for this.

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And again, right now the bottom rung of

America is probably the most protected

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'cause they had nothing to lose anyway.

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If you didn't have a 401k, you're okay.

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If you working two jobs and Ubering, or

you're doing DoorDash, you're still okay.

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It's the top.

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It's the middle income and upper

middle class right now that's being

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impacted by everything that's going on.

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And so they needed to kind of

see, look, this is by design.

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He's doing this on purpose.

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Tony Tidbit: Flat out.

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Brad Bowling: You need to know.

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You need to know that.

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Stay focused.

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Tony Tidbit: Flat out.

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Flat out straight strategy.

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And, and you, and you, and, and, well,

I don't wanna say it like that, but

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if you stay involved in these things,

you knew it was a strategy, right?

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The dude was already president before.

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All right.

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Right.

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He knew exactly what, what

handcuffed him before.

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Yeah.

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So this time he was gonna be prepared.

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Oh, and then he was gonna

overwhelm you so nobody could try

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to impeach or try to push back.

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First, let me set up my, again,

Nino Brown, let me get my team.

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These people loyal to me, so I ain't

gotta worry about somebody saying, Hey.

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You can't do that, Mr.

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President or Nino.

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You can't.

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No, no, no, no.

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I'm gonna make, I'm gonna get rid of

anybody who ain't loyal to me right now.

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I can do what the hell I want to

do now I'm gonna overwhelm them

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and I'm gonna come at it so hard.

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They don't know what to think.

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So it is a strategy.

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Speaking of that though, what

do you say to those people?

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That feel helpless or too exhausted to

engage because I chatted with somebody

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today, I had lunch, and she was like,

you know, Tony, I just turned the tv.

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I can't take it no more.

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Right.

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It's just horrible.

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And, and you know, I just don't, I

just wanna talk about happy thoughts

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and, and I get all that right.

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But at the end of the day, this, the,

the country is, is, is being ripped apart

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in my opinion, right under your nose.

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So you need to do something.

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So what do you say to those people?

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Brad Bowling: Man, it's tough because

depending on where you are, income level,

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depending on what you, what you have in

the market, depending on, you know, what

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kind of, uh, equity you're losing, right?

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Depending on, uh, the layoff that you

just suffered from, it's very difficult

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to tell people what to do when they

feel so much anxiety about their future.

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When you used to have a job, right?

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They used to say, go to college, get you

a good government job, and you'll be okay.

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Well, that's not the case anymore.

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So when people are knocked off their

foundation, you know, we'd love to

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be able to sit here and say, Hey man,

just do A, B, and C and you'll be okay.

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But now they don't know how they're

paying their mortgage the next

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month, that bill, that bill is

coming whether you have a job or not.

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And if you live in a community where

80% of everybody around you are federal

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employees, who you selling your house to?

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Where are you moving to?

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What private job you know?

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Are you going to with the resume

you haven't prepared in 20 years?

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You don't even know what AI is, man.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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So,

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Brad Bowling: you know what I mean.

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So you have people out there, um, who

have high anxiety, who do not have a plan

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B 'cause they didn't need one, right?

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They were comfortable for

18, 20 years in government.

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You know, 3% raises, you might've

made less than the national

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average, but you were okay.

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Now you don't know what to do.

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And he's going after every

department, every way of life.

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And nobody is safe.

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So there's nowhere to hide.

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There's nowhere to protect your money.

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There's nowhere to protect your sanctity.

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So I think right now you better hold on.

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Love those around you.

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You know, treat people like

you want to be treated.

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I think, I think we all need to do

some soul searching and figure out what

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country would want to be going forward.

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Right?

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Because now you have everybody

looking at us, China, because did

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you see the, the meme of the people.

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Uh, the big people working in

the, in, you know, doing a fabric.

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Did you see that meme?

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Tony Tidbit: I have not, no.

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Brad Bowling: Oh my God.

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Okay.

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I I,

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Tony Tidbit: I'll check it out though.

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I have to hear right.

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Check it

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Brad Bowling: out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because, you know, now everybody is

looking at America because he did the

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ripple effect, which is the cover of our

April, uh, issue, the cascading injury

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that we're all suffering from this.

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Who knows what the end result will be

after the four years, when he gets done,

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if he doesn't find a way to circumvent

the Constitution to get a third term.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

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So let me, let me throw this at you, man.

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And again, I I'm, I'm

gonna use Nino Brown again.

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Okay.

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Brad Bowling: You like him, huh?

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Tony Tidbit: I, I, because I think

it, it, it, it, it parallels what,

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what's happening today, right?

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And it goes to my question, right?

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And again, let's go back, right.

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Nino, either they're gonna be

happy customers as he taking over

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the, the apartment building, or

they're gonna be lived in hostages.

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Okay?

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Okay.

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Now, based on what's happening.

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And I just asked you the question,

what, what, what do you say for those

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people who feel hopeless and too

exhausted, you just came back with

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saying, Hey, I don't know what to do.

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So they, they, they're

lived in hostages, right?

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They're lived in, and I don't think,

I don't think they wanna be lived

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in ho so there should be something

that we can do as a collective.

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Right.

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And here's the thing, because yes, it's,

it's, it's, it reminds me of World War ii.

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When Germany, the reason they were

able to take over Europe because

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they used the same strategy, but they

did it from a military standpoint.

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It was called Blitz Creek, okay.

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Where they would just come in

immediately in the Poland and just

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take over everything before they had

even chance to get the Army together.

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All right?

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And next thing you know, they surrender.

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And then they did the same

thing, the Netherlands and, and

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so they overwhelmed them before

they can even get a defense up.

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And then by the time they were

already at the rolling at the Capitol

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where everybody gave up, and then

eventually they owned that country.

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Okay.

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And so at the end of

the day, I get it, that.

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These things are happening and there

is a strategy to overwhelm you.

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Where this way a person can put in all

the different policies that they want.

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Mm-hmm.

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To try to shape America, not just

now, 10, 15, 20 years from now.

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That's really the key too, here.

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So based on that, I.

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You can't just be like, I give up.

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Alright, there's gotta be

something for people to do.

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So what do you think they could do?

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Uh, in terms of pushing back or

getting more confidence or, yeah, I

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got a mortgage to pay, but I gotta do

something Because at the end of the

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day, if they don't, then going back to

Nino Brown, they are lived in hostages.

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Brad Bowling: Well, if you take

a look at the fifth, right?

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You saw protest all over the world.

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In our major cities, you saw

thousands and thousands of people.

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And I would, you know, sarcastically

say, you know, what good is that doing?

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But I think it starts

with, you know, an emotion.

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Uh, then it starts with the organization.

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And then I think we have to then

start to coalesce and, and, and

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wrap our minds around who we

are electing as a, as officials.

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And I, I think we play games with

that where, you know, sometimes we

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come out to vote, sometimes we don't.

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I don't think we can afford to miss vote.

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I think we have to do a better

job paying attention to who we

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vote for at the local level first.

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And then our local level, uh, seeps

up to who we vote for on a, on a

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congressional level and regional level.

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And so I think that that matters.

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Right?

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Right now the only balance we

have are the regional judges,

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uh, who mostly are Republican at

this point, who are saving us.

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Uh, from the wrath of the, the, the

changes in the executive orders that he's

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making, and he still circumvent knows.

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Yeah, I heard you say that.

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Uh, we can't deport these kinds of

people, but we're still gonna do it.

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You don't have authority over us.

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Right.

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So he's still fighting

even court decisions.

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Right.

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So, you know, look, this is

the, this is the hand that we've

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dealt, laid out for ourselves.

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Tony, I don't know if

there's any recourse.

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He's in office for four years.

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Um, he's a felon.

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They still voted for him, right?

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Uh, I don't know what the recourse is.

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I, I think we have to, unfortunately

right now, man, and I hate to

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say this 'cause I just don't

have a good answer for you, bro.

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You gotta hold on and you have

to pray that his decisions

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don't impact you directly, like

they're impacting everybody else.

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And I, I, I don't have an

answer for you at the moment.

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Tony Tidbit: Right, right.

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Well, here's the thing, Deborah.

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I think so some of the things that

seem, um, that they, you know, seems

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passive, that it reminds me again,

what was the flick I saw where, um,

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oh, I think it was Black Panther.

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Brad Bowling: Okay.

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Tony Tidbit: Where they went out

and protested and they got arrested

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and they were in the jail and, um.

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I forget the brother who founded the

Black Panthers, I forget his name.

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And he was all upset.

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He would be Newton Huey Newton.

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Huey Newton, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And he was all upset.

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And the pastor says, look man, he

said, we gotta go out and fight.

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He said, look man, we gotta pray.

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And he was like, I don't wanna pray,

pray it ain't gonna do nothing for

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us, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Right?

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But here, here, but here's,

here's the thing though, bro.

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Here's the thing.

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Prayer worked, protests worked because if

they didn't work, we wouldn't be sitting

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here with the rights that we have today.

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Right?

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So at the end of the day, it may

seem that these things don't matter

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or they're not strong enough, but at

the end of the day, as an individual

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of the United States of America.

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That is the one of the most

powerful things that we can do.

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Regardless if you've got a lot of

money or you got no money, regardless

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if you got two houses or you about

to go into foreclosure, regardless

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if you just, you are holding on to

your job or you just lost your job.

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If people come together and those protests

and everybody starts doing them right,

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and, and, and then staying engaged.

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Okay.

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'cause that's the other thing, you know

when, when, when Hitler took over Poland.

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They, they, they were

asleep at the switch.

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They knew the dude was building an army.

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Okay.

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And the next thing you

know, he takes over.

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Alright.

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Right.

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So, and that's what happens to,

to your point, part of the shock

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doctrine is to overwhelm you.

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Yes.

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Where you mentally surrender.

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Correct.

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:

Okay.

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And at the end of the day when you

do that, then we are again, I hate

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keep saying, lived in hostages.

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We are lived in hostages, live

in hostages, and we don't wanna

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be a lived in hostage because

we have more power to come in.

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:

So let me ask you this, you know,

how do you interpret the idea when

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you don't stand up for everyone,

you eventually suffer too.

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Brad Bowling: Correct?

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If you don't stand up for everyone.

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You stand up for no one.

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:

Right.

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And so, man, it's so poignant that

you bring up that point because I

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take a look at how African Americans

have been treated, are treated, uh,

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and continue to be treated right.

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So, you know, we can sit here and,

and Tony, I'm just as mad at the

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Democrats as I am at the Republicans.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't even matter.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't like none of it.

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Tony Tidbit: Exactly.

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Brad Bowling: Exactly.

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Exactly.

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So, you know, when you take a look

at the, when we were under Democratic

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rule, we still were being police

profiled, killed at a high rate.

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Incarcerated at high levels, and then

here you got the Republicans in office and

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they're going, oh, we're gonna take away

your DEI, you know, affirmative action.

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Our DI, yeah,

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Tony Tidbit: our DEI.

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Right, right.

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Right.

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Now our DI get outta

it, but go ahead buddy.

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:

It

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Brad Bowling: never, it was never our DEI.

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Correct?

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Correct.

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And just to kind of bring that up,

me and the media, when you take a

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look at D-E-I-D-E, I only worked

depending on who you, uh, reported to.

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If you reported to the CEO

and you could impact policy.

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Then you had power, you had influence.

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But you, if you reported to the

director of sales or marketing, you

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know, you didn't have any power.

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And that's a lot of times where

DEI report, he'd be like, how

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:

did the thing tree you end up

way over here under sanitation.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So, right.

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Um, you know, but, but

to answer your question,

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if you don't, if you don't have

policy for everybody and you don't

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have the rule of law for everybody.

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You don't have the rule of law for anyone.

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Brad Bowling: And I think what you're

starting to see is that how blacks are

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treated is not how everybody is treated.

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If you take a look at what's

going on in America, the rule

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of law applies to no one, right?

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Trump is above the law.

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This stupid 9 87.

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You can't prosecute uh uh

people unless they steal over

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a thousand dollars of stuff.

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So you got guys in cv, s and Walgreens.

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Just not, it's insane.

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Insane.

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It's insane, bro.

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It's insane.

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The criminals have all the power

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Tony Tidbit: by flat

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Brad Bowling: out, they

have all the power.

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So I hope what we, what we begin to see

is Americans take our country back, right?

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Originally government was

supposed to be for the people.

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By the people of the people.

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We need to take the country

back kicking and screaming.

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We need term limits for

Congress and the Senate.

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And I don't mean term limits,

meaning well, they get to run again.

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No term limits.

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You got eight years.

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Get the.

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Uh, can I cuss on here?

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

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You get the hell out.

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Oh, you, you got four years.

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You got four years.

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Okay, go four years.

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That's it.

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Right,

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Brad Bowling: right.

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:

You get, you get one term,

two terms, and you gotta go.

785

:

Right.

786

:

Right.

787

:

Tony Tidbit: And you refresh the plot.

788

:

Brad Bowling: Right.

789

:

Americans need to take the

Constitution back into our own hands.

790

:

We need to demand the kind of

laws that we want in the books.

791

:

Half of me, I don't, I can't be

super mad at Doge because I've

792

:

always wanted the, the government

to function like my business.

793

:

Right.

794

:

I can't operate at a deficit.

795

:

I can't live at a deficit.

796

:

Why should the government

live at a deficit?

797

:

I can't, I don't have waste in my budget.

798

:

How can the government

have waste in its budget?

799

:

So half focus are kind of like, man,

I'm kind of, you know, I don't mind with

800

:

Doge is doing because it needed to have

peel back the onion and let's see where

801

:

the, the know the bodies are buried.

802

:

Right?

803

:

How does a guy make 200 grand

a year as a congressman?

804

:

But then they went worth

240 million in 20 years.

805

:

Right.

806

:

Aren't you a little curious as to how

Nancy Pelosi is worth all of this money?

807

:

So, I, I kind of don't mind some of it.

808

:

And I'm gonna tell you

another thing, Tony.

809

:

I never used to believe that an American

president can move the needle in four

810

:

years, but Donald Trump is the first

president that I've seen to come

811

:

in and move the needle at a global

level in 90 days of being in office.

812

:

I've never seen this before.

813

:

Half of me has respect for him because

he does what he says he's going to do.

814

:

Now we can debate if it's good

for us all day, but I gotta give

815

:

him his props because he, he's

literally living the playbook.

816

:

He set out, he said, tariffs, deportation.

817

:

I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna

do this, I'm gonna do this.

818

:

And he's doing it.

819

:

He's literally doing what

he said he was going to do.

820

:

Yeah.

821

:

So can we really be surprised?

822

:

Can we really be surprised?

823

:

Did you think he was gonna

come in doing all of this?

824

:

Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

825

:

Okay.

826

:

Alright.

827

:

So yeah, because that was part

of the strategy and stuff, right?

828

:

Right.

829

:

Here's the thing though, bro.

830

:

So here's the thing, and I hear you and

I respect what you're saying and, and

831

:

you know, I, I, I look at it like this.

832

:

So was there, is there

waste in government?

833

:

Absolutely.

834

:

Okay.

835

:

I've worked at billion dollar

companies and there's waste.

836

:

Right.

837

:

Okay.

838

:

They they have more resources

than they don't even know about.

839

:

Correct.

840

:

Okay.

841

:

See, here's, this is why

I'm saying the hypocrisy.

842

:

Okay.

843

:

Because I've been at places, I,

I, I'm just being honest with you.

844

:

Right, right.

845

:

And so I'm all about, I don't

think there, see, here's the thing.

846

:

I don't think nobody was sitting

back saying, uh, there's no waste.

847

:

Of course it is, it's the government.

848

:

Okay.

849

:

But it's how you go about to do it.

850

:

Okay?

851

:

And then framing everybody that works

for the government as lazy or framing

852

:

everybody that's uh, uh, uh, uh, from

Mexico or, or, or else as criminals.

853

:

Okay?

854

:

And see, these are the things

that, that going back to getting

855

:

people to start believing.

856

:

So you can do your Daly deed.

857

:

Okay.

858

:

So Bill Clinton cut the

government by 12% back in 96.

859

:

Okay.

860

:

He didn't, so he was able to shrink it.

861

:

Did you, do you remember that?

862

:

No, most people don't because

he didn't do it this way.

863

:

Right.

864

:

And so at the end of, and then

here's the other thing, man.

865

:

It's, it's park gangster.

866

:

I hate to say it because the

bottom line is ain't problem, huh?

867

:

Yeah, because here's the thing.

868

:

You know, somebody taught me

this a long time ago, right?

869

:

And I never forgot it.

870

:

And they said, look, always you, if

you put a little truth to anything,

871

:

you can do what the fuck you wanna do.

872

:

Excuse me.

873

:

And I'm cussing, okay, go ahead.

874

:

You know,

875

:

Brad Bowling: keep going.

876

:

Tony Tidbit: So my point is, my point

is, if, if I wanna take over, if I want

877

:

to, uh, I don't wanna say destroy, but if

I wanna make things my way, I'll go in.

878

:

With a sledgehammer, and then I'll show

you the little, uh, uh, the, the, the,

879

:

the waste and say, see, I told you.

880

:

Right?

881

:

But hold on.

882

:

But that's just to, to placate

you to say, I told you there's

883

:

a lot of waste, and then I start

doing other things to take care.

884

:

So let's stop a second.

885

:

I gave prime example.

886

:

Who's got Elon Musk?

887

:

He's got government contracts.

888

:

Yes, he does.

889

:

All right.

890

:

Is he cutting his own stuff?

891

:

No, he's still getting $6 trillion a day.

892

:

Yeah.

893

:

So this is my point here.

894

:

See, that's, that's what I'm

saying about the hypocrisy.

895

:

But he's on TV saying, look, there's this

school teacher making 300 grand, or This

896

:

person got Tim, but what about your stuff?

897

:

See, that's.

898

:

The point I'm trying to make here, so

if I can throw you, it's, it's called

899

:

the, what was it, three card Molly game.

900

:

Remember the day?

901

:

Yeah.

902

:

Or the shell game.

903

:

Yeah.

904

:

So I can come out and

say, Hey, look at this.

905

:

And then you start

saying, see, I told you.

906

:

But I'm the one that also has,

uh, contracts and, and nobody's.

907

:

Nobody's doing a doge on me.

908

:

You seem like pointy.

909

:

So that's what, that's the part.

910

:

So that's the game.

911

:

Okay.

912

:

So you throw a little truth into

something and then people believe

913

:

it and you can do what you wanna do.

914

:

Right?

915

:

Because now they're thinking that

you are doing the, you are basically,

916

:

um, doing everything that's right.

917

:

And you're not, alright.

918

:

So look, did he come in and, and, and,

and, and do everything he said he did?

919

:

Absolutely right.

920

:

Number two.

921

:

Um, but I don't look.

922

:

Time will tell, history will tell, okay?

923

:

But what we need to do is

what we need to do today.

924

:

And at the end of the day, and that's

the question I want to ask you buddy.

925

:

So

926

:

all these things are not just

affecting people of color, but

927

:

they're affecting everybody, right?

928

:

But let's, let's just

go right to the people.

929

:

Let's go to our people,

let's go to people of color.

930

:

What do we need?

931

:

And let's talk specifically about men.

932

:

Okay?

933

:

Let's, let's go there.

934

:

What do men need to do?

935

:

While all this turmoil and all these

things are going on, I'm talking, and when

936

:

I say men, I'm talking real men head of

household that's running their family.

937

:

And I don't care if they're a brick

layer, I don't care if they're a CEO.

938

:

The job title really doesn't matter.

939

:

Right.

940

:

But I wanna hear from you, what does, in

this situation where everybody's being

941

:

effective, how can men make a difference?

942

:

Brad Bowling: The first thing that

I would do, or the first piece of

943

:

advice that I would give, uh, to men.

944

:

Is to go join an an organization.

945

:

Okay?

946

:

When we take a look at the 1940s,

fifties, and sixties, and the

947

:

Civil Rights Movement, black people

belong to the A CLU Urban League

948

:

naacp, all three of them today.

949

:

We don't belong to any of them.

950

:

Okay?

951

:

And so I would say go find

an organization to join.

952

:

It doesn't have to be one of those.

953

:

It can be 100 black men.

954

:

It can be your local church.

955

:

It can be a social group, it can

be big brothers, big sisters.

956

:

It can be anything, but we

have to, we have to go back

957

:

to becoming servants, right?

958

:

If you take a look at the

integrity of America, it, the

959

:

Fabric of America is gone.

960

:

I think we have to restore the

fabric of America from the bottom

961

:

down, from grassroots down, and

then expect integrity going up.

962

:

So when you take a look at it, because

we let so much get away with it.

963

:

Well, let me look away when I see

the black man getting profiled.

964

:

Let me, let me look the other way.

965

:

Hey, I like black.

966

:

This is what they say.

967

:

I like black people.

968

:

But did you do anything when you saw

the police pull him over, when you saw

969

:

the police stop the guy for no reason,

when he walked out of Starbucks with a

970

:

coffee and you're questioning him saying

he fit the description, did you do

971

:

anything when the brother got killed in

the apartment building in his own house?

972

:

Because he just answered the

door and a cop decided to, did

973

:

you, dude, did you do anything?

974

:

Right.

975

:

If you didn't do anything, then why would

I care about your 401k being half now?

976

:

So we have to go back to taking

care and caring about everybody,

977

:

Tony Tidbit: right?

978

:

Brad Bowling: That's

the first step, right?

979

:

So you have to go join an organization

and become a servant to society again.

980

:

That's where I would start.

981

:

And then once you start that at

the head of the household, you

982

:

demand it throughout the household.

983

:

Honey, what are you

doing to give back kids?

984

:

Go join something.

985

:

We're gonna go to church as a family.

986

:

We're gonna go over here

and paint this house.

987

:

We're gonna take the, the neighbor

who's 87 lives by herself.

988

:

We're gonna knock on her door

and see does she need food?

989

:

Is that wall wet because the house is damp

or are we gonna go and make sure that her

990

:

house is not imploding from inside out?

991

:

Right.

992

:

Um, so those are the first things that I

would recommend that we do as a society

993

:

is become servants of society again.

994

:

A lot of us take, but we don't give.

995

:

Tony Tidbit: Buddy.

996

:

That is some excellent number one.

997

:

Thanks for sharing that.

998

:

Because you're a hundred percent right

and those things are in our control.

999

:

Okay?

:

00:42:48,884 --> 00:42:49,035

Correct.

:

00:42:49,095 --> 00:42:50,505

And they, and here's the thing.

:

00:42:50,955 --> 00:42:55,274

They matter and they may

not be on the evening news.

:

00:42:55,484 --> 00:42:56,115

Okay.

:

00:42:56,115 --> 00:42:56,174

Yeah.

:

00:42:56,415 --> 00:43:01,245

But those little things that everybody can

do together, I love start being a servant.

:

00:43:01,484 --> 00:43:03,285

Start the community, come together.

:

00:43:03,375 --> 00:43:04,725

Start with your own family.

:

00:43:04,725 --> 00:43:05,055

Right?

:

00:43:05,055 --> 00:43:05,115

Yeah.

:

00:43:05,355 --> 00:43:08,234

This is time to buckle down and

let's become, let's, let's, let's.

:

00:43:08,415 --> 00:43:10,335

Let our family stand for something.

:

00:43:10,365 --> 00:43:10,725

Right?

:

00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:10,940

Right.

:

00:43:10,965 --> 00:43:16,125

Let us all get together and really,

you know, focus on not only loving

:

00:43:16,125 --> 00:43:19,095

one another, but also loving

the community and helping them.

:

00:43:19,305 --> 00:43:23,775

Because when you do that across

all different lines, it's hard for

:

00:43:23,775 --> 00:43:25,785

people not to come back and love you.

:

00:43:26,085 --> 00:43:26,625

Okay.

:

00:43:26,685 --> 00:43:28,605

And what happens is, and, and this.

:

00:43:28,605 --> 00:43:31,360

Is the thing, my brother, you hit it

right on the head, so thank you for that.

:

00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:31,720

Mm-hmm.

:

00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,670

And we've gotten away from that.

:

00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,150

So now when you've gotten away, it's every

man, you know, what's that old saying?

:

00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:40,390

Three, you know, every day for

24 hours, seven days a week.

:

00:43:41,110 --> 00:43:45,279

Every individual thinks about

three individuals all day long.

:

00:43:45,370 --> 00:43:47,441

And those three individuals

are mean, myself and I.

:

00:43:48,009 --> 00:43:48,460

Okay.

:

00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:49,180

And that's just a fact.

:

00:43:49,515 --> 00:43:50,115

That's a fact.

:

00:43:50,174 --> 00:43:50,595

Right?

:

00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:50,755

Right.

:

00:43:50,759 --> 00:43:54,105

And so when you start be thinking

about me, myself, and I, and then

:

00:43:54,105 --> 00:43:58,035

you are not looking out, or to your

point when you see the brother get

:

00:43:58,035 --> 00:44:00,734

pulled over and just walk over and

say, Hey officer, is everything okay?

:

00:44:00,734 --> 00:44:01,515

What's going on here?

:

00:44:01,515 --> 00:44:01,815

Right?

:

00:44:01,819 --> 00:44:02,029

Right.

:

00:44:02,115 --> 00:44:06,045

Or you see the old lady who needs

a seat on the train and everybody's

:

00:44:06,045 --> 00:44:08,535

standing and she's standing up and

everybody's sitting down, why don't,

:

00:44:08,535 --> 00:44:10,245

excuse me, miss, why don't you

come over here and take this seat?

:

00:44:10,245 --> 00:44:10,845

Take my seat.

:

00:44:11,145 --> 00:44:11,384

Right?

:

00:44:11,384 --> 00:44:11,595

Correct.

:

00:44:11,625 --> 00:44:16,845

All these little things matter because

what happens is when we don't do them.

:

00:44:17,225 --> 00:44:21,964

Then it's easy for people to

put narratives out and say, this

:

00:44:21,964 --> 00:44:23,525

group is getting more than you.

:

00:44:24,125 --> 00:44:26,645

These people are trying

to take advantage of you.

:

00:44:26,825 --> 00:44:31,745

And because that community is not together

and people are not experiencing that,

:

00:44:31,955 --> 00:44:33,964

they start saying, yeah, you right.

:

00:44:34,775 --> 00:44:37,924

Yeah, you, and then we

get to where we are today.

:

00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:38,735

Right, right.

:

00:44:38,855 --> 00:44:41,255

So I love what you said,

my brother, I love.

:

00:44:41,464 --> 00:44:42,185

Let me ask you this.

:

00:44:42,185 --> 00:44:43,235

How can BEP help.

:

00:44:44,805 --> 00:44:48,255

Code Magazine continue

to move forward in:

:

00:44:48,495 --> 00:44:51,675

Brad Bowling: You know, man, I, I, I

think we continue to have conversations

:

00:44:51,675 --> 00:44:54,735

like this and I say, you know, maybe,

I don't know if we start some type of

:

00:44:54,735 --> 00:44:59,055

online movement where after these, you

know, we have some kind of form fill.

:

00:44:59,385 --> 00:45:02,805

If people want advice or if they

want communication, if they have

:

00:45:02,805 --> 00:45:05,985

anxiety, if they need support, if

they want to have a conversation.

:

00:45:06,465 --> 00:45:09,045

You know, I think maybe we set

up the platforms to have some

:

00:45:09,045 --> 00:45:11,745

of these conversations, because

you and I are not the only ones.

:

00:45:12,375 --> 00:45:16,125

Uh, having this compensation, if

we're having it, a hundred thousand

:

00:45:16,125 --> 00:45:17,265

people are thinking about it,

:

00:45:17,444 --> 00:45:17,565

Tony Tidbit: right?

:

00:45:17,565 --> 00:45:18,464

There's no question, buddy.

:

00:45:18,529 --> 00:45:21,194

Brad Bowling: And, and so we have

to find new and better ways to

:

00:45:21,194 --> 00:45:24,315

support each other's, uh, passions.

:

00:45:24,375 --> 00:45:30,404

Our anxiety, uh, our fears, um, and I

think we have to have a greater sense

:

00:45:30,404 --> 00:45:35,234

of community because I'm gonna tell you

there's two, three guys that we know right

:

00:45:35,234 --> 00:45:37,634

now who are not saying anything to us.

:

00:45:37,995 --> 00:45:39,884

And we don't know where

they are mentally, right?

:

00:45:40,095 --> 00:45:42,105

We don't know what their

financial situation is.

:

00:45:42,375 --> 00:45:44,775

We don't know what their anxiety

level is, and we don't know

:

00:45:44,775 --> 00:45:48,435

what their next steps are 'cause

they're not telling us and right.

:

00:45:48,435 --> 00:45:52,785

And so, you know, suicide, uh,

thoughts of suicide, this is real.

:

00:45:53,355 --> 00:45:53,955

This is real.

:

00:45:53,955 --> 00:45:55,725

So we have to pay attention to each other.

:

00:45:56,175 --> 00:45:59,205

We just have to do a better job of

taking care of, uh, of each other.

:

00:45:59,205 --> 00:46:01,815

Tony And the, and the one thing

that I wanna say to you is when

:

00:46:01,815 --> 00:46:03,285

we hold ourselves accountable.

:

00:46:04,245 --> 00:46:06,075

And then we start to hold

each other accountable.

:

00:46:06,285 --> 00:46:08,355

We will start to hold them accountable.

:

00:46:08,565 --> 00:46:10,484

And then that's where you're

gonna start to see change.

:

00:46:10,484 --> 00:46:10,815

Right?

:

00:46:11,085 --> 00:46:14,355

But because we're not accountable, we

don't hold anybody else accountable.

:

00:46:14,355 --> 00:46:15,555

And I think that's where it starts.

:

00:46:16,455 --> 00:46:19,274

Tony Tidbit: Brad Bowling,

president CODE M Magazine.

:

00:46:19,575 --> 00:46:22,335

Thanks for coming on my brother

and sharing your perspective.

:

00:46:22,455 --> 00:46:23,475

Brad Bowling: I appreciate it, man.

:

00:46:23,475 --> 00:46:24,225

Thank you so much.

:

00:46:24,225 --> 00:46:25,605

You're doing a fantastic job.

:

00:46:25,605 --> 00:46:29,535

Congratulations on your award, uh,

that you received just recently.

:

00:46:29,535 --> 00:46:31,964

I know your second year I'm watching you.

:

00:46:32,385 --> 00:46:34,335

Has kicked off to a strong start, man.

:

00:46:34,335 --> 00:46:36,735

So continued success and I

can't wait to be back on.

:

00:46:37,215 --> 00:46:39,105

Tony Tidbit: Uh, buddy, we're gonna

have you come back to dive into a

:

00:46:39,105 --> 00:46:40,755

couple more articles, so stay there.

:

00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:41,865

Love you a lot problem.

:

00:46:42,105 --> 00:46:43,035

Really appreciate it.

:

00:46:43,035 --> 00:46:47,355

So I wanna thank Brad Bowling, president

Col magazine for coming on and sharing

:

00:46:47,355 --> 00:46:49,965

his perspective about this shock doctrine.

:

00:46:50,175 --> 00:46:53,805

So now I think it's

time for Tony's tidbit.

:

00:46:53,925 --> 00:46:59,475

Okay, and the tidbit today, disaster

capitalism feels like confusion.

:

00:46:59,805 --> 00:47:04,305

It counts on people being too

distracted, too divided, or

:

00:47:04,305 --> 00:47:06,255

too overwhelmed to respond.

:

00:47:06,795 --> 00:47:08,535

But clarity is a weapon.

:

00:47:09,134 --> 00:47:13,035

When you understand the game,

you stop being a pawn in it.

:

00:47:13,095 --> 00:47:15,615

Or like we were talking

about, a lived in hostage.

:

00:47:15,975 --> 00:47:16,485

All right?

:

00:47:16,634 --> 00:47:22,455

Purpose gives you direction and direction

gives you power in times of crisis.

:

00:47:22,515 --> 00:47:28,214

Knowing who you are and why you

fight is the beginning of liberation.

:

00:47:28,785 --> 00:47:31,815

And you heard a lot of that

from my brother, uh, Brad

:

00:47:31,815 --> 00:47:33,345

Bowling at Code Air Magazine.

:

00:47:33,345 --> 00:47:36,225

So don't want everybody to forget

to check out this Thursday.

:

00:47:36,225 --> 00:47:37,214

Need to know by Dr.

:

00:47:37,214 --> 00:47:40,065

Nsenga Burton on A Black

Executive Perspective podcast.

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Dr.

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Burton ties into the timely, crucial

topics that shape our community and world.

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You ain't got time to know

everything, but you should have time

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to check out, need to know with Dr.

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Nsenga Burton because she's gonna

educate you so you don't wanna miss it.

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And don't forget to check

out coming out next week.

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Next episode of Pull Up, speak up our

round table where they dive into bold,

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unfiltered, uh, uh, topics, the most

provocative issues, sharp perspectives,

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real talk, and the call to action.

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I'm telling you, this is

not just, uh, an episode.

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This is a revolution.

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So check out.

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Pull up, speak up.

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So now, as everyone knows, and

this is your first time listening

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or watching to A Black Executive

Perspective podcast, our goal is to

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eliminate all forms of discrimination.

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And we've come up with a call to

action, an acronym, which we call

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less LESS, and I'm gonna kick it off.

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L stands for learn.

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You wanna educate yourself on

racial and cultural nuances.

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'cause the more that you learn

about other people, the better.

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And then once you learn,

you have the letter.

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E, which stands for empathy.

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Right now, since you've learned,

you should have more, you should

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be more empathetic to what your

friends and brothers and colleagues

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are going through because you can

put yourself in their shoes, and

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then the first S stands for share.

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You now.

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As Brad was talking about, you wanna

go out and share what you've learned to

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other people that don't know your friends.

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And Colin, lemme tell you about

this, lemme tell you about that so

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that you can help enlighten them.

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And then the final S stands for Stop.

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You wanna actively stop discrimination

as it walks in your path.

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As Brad talked about.

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You see the guy get pulled over,

walk over there, say something right?

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Because if everybody can actually, uh,

if you see Aunt Jenny or Uncle Joe.

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This is simple as this and the

Sunday dinner table and they say

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something that's inappropriate.

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You say, I'm Jenny Uncle Joe.

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We don't believe that.

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We don't say that.

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And you stop it right there.

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So everyone can incorporate less LESS.

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We'll build a more fair,

more understanding world.

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And we'll see the change we wanna

see because less will become more.

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You can follow A Black Executive

Perspective of listen to watch our

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episodes on YouTube, apple, Spotify,

or wherever you get your podcast.

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And you can follow us on our social

channels of LinkedIn, X, YouTube,

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Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok at a black

exec for our fabulous guest president

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of Cold Air Magazine, Brad Bowling.

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I'm Tony Tidbit.

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We talked about it, we laughed

about it, we learned about it.

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We're still gonna strive about it

and we're gonna thrive about it.

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We love you.

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And guess what?

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We're out

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Reshaping Leadership & Diversity in Corporate America
About the Podcast: "TonyTidbit: A Black Executive Perspective" offers a deep dive into the corporate world through the lens of diversity, equity, and inclusion. Hosted by Tony Franklin, aka Tony Tidbit, this podcast shines a light on vital conversations around race, leadership, and diversity, fostering understanding and change.

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Tony Franklin, the esteemed host of "TonyTidbit: A Black Executive Perspective," is a dynamic and insightful leader with over 30 years of experience navigating the complexities of corporate America. With a career marked by leadership roles across various industries, Tony brings a wealth of knowledge and a unique perspective to the podcast. His journey is one of resilience, determination, and an unwavering commitment to driving diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the workplace.

A passionate advocate for change, Tony initiated the groundbreaking "Conversations about Race" series in his workplace following the social unrest of 2020. This series laid the foundation for the podcast, offering a platform for open, honest discussions about race and the Black executive experience in corporate America. Through his engaging conversations with guests, Tony explores themes of adversity, exclusion, and implicit bias, while also highlighting the strategies that have helped break down racial barriers.

Tony's approachable style and depth of experience make him an influential voice in the DEI space. His dedication to fostering an inclusive environment is evident in each episode, where he provides actionable guidance for being a better advocate and ally. "TonyTidbit: A Black Executive Perspective" is not just a podcast; it's a movement towards a more equitable corporate landscape, led by Tony's visionary leadership and empathetic voice.