The Shock Doctrine Exposed: How Power Exploits Chaos, And How We Fight Back
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In this episode of A Black Executive Perspective podcast, host Tony Tidbit discusses the concept of disaster capitalism with Brad Bowling, President of Code M Magazine. They explore the Shock Doctrine, a strategy where political actors exploit crises to introduce controversial policies that benefit corporate interests and disenfranchise citizens. The discussion covers the ripple effects of such policies on marginalized communities and how men of color can respond. They emphasize the importance of community service and grassroots activism to counteract the overwhelming political and economic shifts. The episode also highlights practical steps individuals can take to make a difference in their communities.
▶︎ In This Episode
00:00: Introduction and Movie Reference
00:42: Podcast Introduction and Guest Introduction
01:18: Discussion on Disaster Capitalism
05:17: The Shock Doctrine Explained
08:18: Impact on Real Estate and Economy
10:26: Political and Social Ramifications
19:49: Call to Action and Conclusion
27:29: The Importance of Voting and Local Elections
29:18: The Role of Protests and Prayer in Social Change
30:51: The Impact of Government Policies on Society
34:31: The Hypocrisy in Government and Corporate Practices
39:49: The Role of Men in Society and Community Service
45:24: The Power of Community and Accountability
46:50: Tony's Tidbit and Final Thoughts
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What's the movie with Wesley Snipes and um, um, um,
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:it was about the crack epidemic.
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:New Jack City.
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:New Jack City, new Jack City.
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:Remember?
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:So when he, when they wanted to
take over the apartment building,
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:he said, look, yeah, either they'll,
either they'll be you taking the car.
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:We, we gonna take the Carter.
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:And they said either they'll be,
uh, uh, excellent customers or
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:they'll be lived-in hostages.
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:What?
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:Alright.
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:Right.
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:And not where people here in United
States now becoming live-in hostages.
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:You are live-in hostages.
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:'cause they, they've been overwhelmed.
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:Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:In terms of.
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:All these things that's happening,
that's still happening and
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:they don't know what to do.
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:We'll discuss race and how it plays
a factor and how we didn't even talk
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:about this topic 'cause we were afraid
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:BEP Narrator: A Black
Executive Perspective.
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:Tony Tidbit: We're coming to you live from
our new BEP studio for another thought
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:provoking episode of A Black Executive
Perspective podcast, A safe space where
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:we discuss all matters regarding race.
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:Culture and those uncomfortable
topics people tend to avoid.
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:I'm your host Tony Tidbit.
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:So before we get started on a
fantastic episode, I wanna remind
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:everyone to definitely check out
our partners at Code M Magazine,
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:whose mission is to save the black
family by first saving the black man.
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:So check them out@codemmagazine.com.
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:That is code m magazine.com
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:and speaking of code m magazine.com
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:today, I.
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:Brad Bowling, the president of
Code M Magazine, joins us for a
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:powerful conversation on how disaster
capitalism and political chaos.
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:This unfortunately affect
marginalized communities from
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:the ripple effects of pol.
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:Decisions to the responsibility
of media will explore how men
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:of color can rise, respond, and
reclaim agency in a world built.
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:To keep them reactive
instead of proactive.
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:I know Brad has been on before,
but lemme tell you a little bit
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:about my partner, uh, Brad Bowling.
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:Brad Bowling is a nationally recognized
thought leader, dynamic speaker, and
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:respected voice on the intersection
of race, media, and empowerment.
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:As president of Code M Magazine, he
brings a powerful vision to life.
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:One rooted in transformation,
truth telling, and elevating the
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:lived experience of men of color.
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:Brad is a sought after panelist,
host and presenter who leads bold
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:conversations that challenge perceptions
and ignite progress at CODE M Magazine.
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:As I talked about earlier, their mission
is clear to empower men of color by
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:showcasing their strength, resilience, and
potential through compelling storytelling
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:and positive re representation.
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:The magazine shines as a light on the
diverse realities of black and brown men
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:balancing the weight of responsibility.
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:I.
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:With the pursuit of legacy,
family, and self-determination.
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:Brad Bowling, my brother.
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:Welcome back to Code M.
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:Excuse me.
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:Welcome back to A Black Executive
Perspective podcast, my man.
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:I'm just forgetting
that we're intertwined.
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:Welcome back to Code M Magazine.
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:Man.
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:Brad Bowling: We took over your company.
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:Yeah.
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:No, you said it right.
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:You said it right.
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:I, I see right.
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:I'm, I'm
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:Tony Tidbit: subliminally.
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:I'm calling you Code M
and calling me Blanc.
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:He said so.
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:We'll, we'll figure it out.
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:But regardless, my brother.
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:I'm glad you came back to talk about
a very important, important topic.
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:So before we dive deep, man, give
us a little bit about what you've
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:been doing over the last few months
since the last time we saw you.
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:Brad Bowling: Man, you know, got
through winter spring is coming.
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:Uh, excited to get some warmer
weather, but you know, we've had
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:three incredible issues of Code
M our January, February, March.
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:Issues were impactful and, uh, you know,
with the change in the administration,
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:we've been able to kind of cover.
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:Not from a political perspective,
but from a human perspective, what
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:is going on around the country, how
people's anxiety, uh, is different.
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:And then just the ripple effect of what is
going on around the country and how people
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:are kind of like thinking, surviving,
talking about some of the changes that
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:are coming so quickly, um, that are
impacting people at a visceral level.
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:Tony Tidbit: I know, buddy, I've read
a lot of, uh, the, your articles that
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:have come out and you guys are hitting
a home run, and we're gonna talk
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:about one of them, the Shock doctrine.
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:But, you know, we're so glad that we
have you and other publications across
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:the country that's actually doing
and really trying to educate and more
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:importantly, go on to the offensive.
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:In terms of what's happening from
an administrative standpoint.
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:So we're definitely gonna dive in.
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:You ready to talk about it?
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:My brother?
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:Brad Bowling: Man, let's go.
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:Tony Tidbit: Alright
bro, let's talk about it.
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:So a few minutes ago you talked
about the ripple effect, right?
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:And you talk about, you know, since
th,:
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:different changes, a lot of things that's
been going on and going on very quickly.
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:To a point where, you know, by the time
you says, I can't believe, and next thing
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:you know, you're like, I can't believe.
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:Right?
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:And then next thing you know,
you kidding me, this too.
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:Right, right.
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:So it's coming.
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:It's a bullet.
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:It's a rapid fire situation.
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:And so this is nothing new though.
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:Right.
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:And you wrote about this in the
article called The Shock Doctrine.
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:So talk a little bit first,
what is the shock doctrine?
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:Brad Bowling: The Shock Doctrine
is a process that governments use
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:to create crisis with the public
to introduce new platforms, laws,
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:rules, uh, changes in policy, right?
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:So they keep you off kilter and
then they numb you to the point to
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:where you can't keep up and you're
so shocked by what's going on.
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:They sneak in.
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:They enact laws and policies that
you're not prepared for because
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:you're in a state of shock.
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:So what the, what the Trump
administration is doing is not new.
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:It's actually, there is a book written
about it and we just use the book as
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:a form of expression to, to let people
know, listen what you're experiencing.
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:This is not an accident.
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:Right.
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:And so a lot of times governments will
play around with people's emotions.
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:You know, we have false flags.
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:Uh, that governments enact, and
that's a whole different conversation.
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:But the, Shock Doctrine is a part B to
kind of having a false flag where they
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:introduce chaos, uh, where you feel
like you can't keep up and you don't
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:understand what's going on, and they're
actually going off of a playbook that
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:kind of tells them what to do first.
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:Let's, let's create a, a controversy or
a, you know, a, a cascading effect of
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:laws, policies that keep you off kilter.
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:So you can't keep up to plan
A before plan B comes out.
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:And by the time Plan C comes out,
you're just now digesting plan A.
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:And you, you, you don't know what to do.
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:Uh, and so the Trump administration
is playing by up a certain playbook.
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:They're winning using this
playbook because right now
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:America doesn't know what to do.
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:Tony Tidbit: Absolutely, ma'am.
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:I'm gonna read this outta your, um, uh,
excerpt, outta your article that, uh,
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:you wrote the, so the Shock Doctrine.
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:Yeah.
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:And so here I quote, it
says, the Shock Doctrine.
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:The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a
two,:
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:and social activist, knowing, knowing
Na, knowing Naomi Klein, Naomi.
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:Yep.
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:In this book, Klein argues that
neoliberalism economic policies promoted
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:by Milton Freeman and the Chicago School
of Economics have risen to a global
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:prominence because of the deliberate
strategy she calls disaster capitalism.
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:And here she says, and it kind of speaks
to what you said in this strategy.
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:Political actors exploit the chaos of
national disasters, wars, and other
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:crisis to push through on popular policies
such as deregulation and privatization.
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:The eco economic shock therapy favors
corporate interests while disadvantaging
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:and disenfranchising citizens when
they are too distracted and overwhelmed
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:to respond to effective resistance.
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:So buddy.
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:Talk a little bit about, give us some
examples of how that's happening today.
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:Brad Bowling: Well, if you take a
look at the real estate market, right?
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:Um, if you took, if you take a look
at BlackRock and some of the other
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:large corporations, when they're
saying, well, people shouldn't
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:own anything, we should have a
society where everybody are renters.
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:Look at what's going on with
the cost of living right now.
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:You can't afford, I, I mean, just
in four years, the cost of a home,
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:which used to be two 50, is now 500.
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:That house was, which
was 500, is now seven 50.
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:So my kids who are 26, 24, 21 20,
can they afford a home going forward?
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:Can they live in the neighborhood
that they were raised in?
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:I don't know.
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:And so if you take a look at what's
going on, that's one example of the shock
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:doctrine where people even working two
jobs, even being married, a husband and
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:a wife's income may not guarantee you
a piece of the American pie anymore.
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:Tony Tidbit: So, and I
definitely get that part right.
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:Yeah.
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:And, and, and to be fair though, to be
fair, you know, those things have been
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:rising, uh, before Trump became president.
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:Right?
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:True.
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:But, but if you add on some of the other
things, like, well, let's be clear, right?
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:The immigration policies, okay?
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:Then you have Doge, where now you're
cutting people and, uh, you have
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:a, a, a, a foreigner, uh, the,
the, the richest man in the world.
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:Going through the government
with a, with a chainsaw.
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:All right.
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:And slashing jobs.
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:Okay.
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:And sending emails, telling them
that the people at the federal
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:government, that they have to tell him
by tomorrow, what's the five things
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:that they got going on this week?
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:What can do today?
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:Yeah.
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:And if they don't do that, they get fired.
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:Okay.
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:Then you have the tariffs, which is now,
uh, uh, uh, a wrecking havoc in our,
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:our financial, uh, uh, institutions.
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:Correct.
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:Uh, it was six and a half
trillion dollars lost in two days.
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:Right.
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:Okay.
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:And then he changes policy and
says, we gonna, we gonna pause
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:these tariffs for 90 days.
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:And the stock market comes up.
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:And then you have the,
the eradication of DEI.
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:Where now you're seeing
people, uh, lose their jobs.
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:And here's the kicker.
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:Okay, here's the kicker.
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:I.
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:There's, you know, when, you know,
unfortunately they painted the word DEI as
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:meaning black or people of color, right?
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:Right.
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:But the people that's losing their jobs
ain't black, ain't people of color, right?
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:Yeah.
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:Right.
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:So, so now you have chaos, everything that
you talk about, and this is not women.
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:Let's be fair, uh, the, the
date of this recording of this
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:episode is April, uh, uh, 10th.
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:Right.
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:The dude's been in office
70 days, I mean, 80 days.
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:Okay.
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:Right, right.
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:So, so all these things are
happening at the same time.
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:And to your point, all the other
things that we've been dealing
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:with, the cost of living and two
parents and all those things.
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:But then you have a president coming
in and just tearing up the, the, the
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:mindset and just throwing all these
things where people can't respond and
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:then they become, um, what's that?
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:Remember?
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:You ever saw the movie?
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:You ever saw the movie?
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:Uh, um.
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:Um, uh, what's the movie with
Wesley Snipes and, um, um,
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:um, about the crack epidemic?
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:New Jack City.
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:New Jack City, new Jack City.
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:Remember?
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:So when he, when they wanted to take over
the apartment building, he said, look,
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:yeah, either they'll, either they'll
be taking the car, we gonna take the
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:Carter, and they said either they'll be.
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:Uh, uh, excellent customers or
they'll be lived in hostages.
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:Right.
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:Alright.
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:And that's where people here in United
States now becoming lived-in hostages.
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:You are lived-in hostages.
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:They, they've been overwhelmed.
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:Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:In terms of all these things that's
happening, that's still happening
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:and they don't know what to do.
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:Let me hear your thoughts on that.
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:Brad Bowling: Yeah.
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:Listen, no one is safe, okay?
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:You come from the grocery store,
you're overpaying for eggs.
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:You get in your car, you're
paying too much for gas.
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:You go to your house where your
variable interest rate just doubled,
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:then you got laid off from your job.
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:You're not in the hood, you're
in the, this is happening to the
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:people in the suburbs right now.
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:Washington, DC is upside down.
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:They don't know what to do out there.
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:Uh, prince George's County where we
dominate, uh, in terms of race and income,
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:they don't know what to do out there.
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:Brad Bowling: more
importantly, across America.
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:All the departments of
government are being impacted.
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:And Tony, it's not just that
nonprofits are being impacted.
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:I have a cousin who was personally
impacted because she had a
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:scholarship, uh, that one of the
programs that the federal government
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:was sponsoring was canceled.
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:And now she's scrambling trying
to figure out, okay, and coming up
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:in the fall, how am I gonna go to
the same institution paying, where
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:am I getting this money to pay?
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:When I had a full ride scholarship,
uh, that was gonna put her.
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:And an incredible career that is gone now.
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:So people, at every income level,
every level of education, every
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:community is being impacted by this.
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:You have, uh, organizations that
would disseminate money to lower
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:organizations that now can't do it.
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:And so you have food banks across
the country now being impacted.
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:Every facet of life is being impacted.
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:Your 401k as you're, as you know,
you're a retired school teacher, your
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:school district had money in the market.
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:That's, it's lost half its value.
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:Your 401k is now worth half of
what it used to be in two months.
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:Tony Tidbit: It's insane, man.
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:But backing up, speaking on in terms of,
it's, it's affecting everyone, right?
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:Yeah.
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:Um, and we just got finished talk.
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:I just got finished stating
that it was certain voters.
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:'cause let's be fair though, too.
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:This, a lot of this, it's not a surprise.
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:He ran on these things in terms of what
he was going to do, um, in the campaign.
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:All right?
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:In terms of getting rid of DEI, uh,
terrorists, deportation, shrinking
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:the deportation, shrinking the
government, all these things right now.
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:He didn't go into the details in
terms of that you're gonna lose
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:$8 trillion in a couple of days.
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:Yeah.
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:Right.
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:Or yeah, or people who are not,
uh, uh, illegal aliens getting,
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:you know, caught up by ice and
being deported, uh, uh, deported.
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:And they can't get, they don't have
no recourse or no legal, you know,
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:ramifications to get, say this is wrong.
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:So he didn't get into all that.
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:But my question is.
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:There was a base of voters
that did vote for him.
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:So are you seeing their perspectives
change based on what's been happening and
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:how they're getting caught up in the wash?
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:Brad Bowling: Well, I think the
responses across the board, right?
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:So you have some people
who have buyer's remorse.
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:They voted for him, but they did not
know that his actions would impact them.
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:They were naive to it, I guess.
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:I don't know.
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:Uh, a lot of the American rule.
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:Uh, a rural America voted for him,
but guess what's happening to farmers?
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:He took all of their
employees away, right?
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:And then if you come into the cities,
you, I think you have some people
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:saying, well, let's give them time.
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:Let's see if the tariffs work.
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:I don't know.
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:And then when they lose half their
income or their retirement through stock
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:options, or, you know, they saw Tesla go
from whatever it was down to half, right?
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:Uh, now they're in shock to saying,
wow, I don't know what's going on.
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:So, you know, unfortunately.
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:We all are kind of victims right now.
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:We're all handcuffed.
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:Just kind of we're at the
mercy of Donald Trump, bro.
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:Tony Tidbit: Buddy, I just told you.
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:Hey, I told you New Jack City,
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:Brad Bowling: right?
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:The only people, Tony, the only people
impacted right now are the poor and broke.
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:They didn't have anything to lose anyway.
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:Right.
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:Exactly.
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:That's why you see 'em line dancing
with the, with the, with the fans.
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:1, 2, 3,
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:Tony Tidbit: Nino Brown.
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:He was like, either they'll be, they'll
be great customers or they'll be living
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:in hostages and that's why they are.
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:Yeah.
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:Well, let me ask you this though, ma'am.
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:So, and, and let's back up and talk
about the DEI 'cause a lot of this,
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:to be fair, you know, Trump, let's be
fair, he used race to divide people.
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:Okay?
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:Right.
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:To get them to vote a certain way.
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:Okay.
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:And, and, uh, and, and, and not
everybody, but some of his, some of
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:those people thought that these things
would only happen to people they thought.
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:Was getting stuff for free, or they
got these policies to help them
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:out, which we know is not true.
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:Right.
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:Okay.
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:So there was a, a divide to be fair, right
now, people don't even say it, but there
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:was a, a, you can see the, the races, you
know, becoming more uh, uh, uh, widen.
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:All right.
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:Do you think now, based on
everybody's not dealing with
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:this, there's a reality check.
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:That this wasn't just about,
uh, people I thought was
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:getting more advantages than me.
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:Now everybody's dealing with, so
do you see this as a possibility
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:for more cross-racial coalitions?
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:Alright.
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:In terms of people coming
together and saying, you know
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:what, we're on the same boat.
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:We shouldn't have listened to this
person, or whatever the case may be.
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:We should come together and all
of us collectively fight back.
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:Brad Bowling: Yeah, well, you know, it
was starting to happen even under the
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:Biden administration when you saw the San
Franciscos and the Oaklands of the world
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:where, you know, crime was so rampant,
it was impacting you at the ATM machine.
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:You know, uh, vacationers are getting
their cars broken in and luggage stolen,
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:and so crime was starting to permeate into
the suburbs and the white communities and
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:at the bank where you couldn't even walk
out the bank depositing or getting some
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:money for, you know, a new barbecue grill
before you're getting cracked on the head.
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:Or followed home and getting robbed.
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:So we were already starting to see,
you know, crime change right now under
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:the Trump administration, where his
decisions are impacting everybody.
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:It will be interesting to
see over the next four years
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:how Americans react to this.
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:Tony Tidbit: So, yeah, and
go ahead, finish your thought
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:Brad Bowling: there.
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:There's a contraction in
some of the rules, right?
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:So, you know, the black way of life
is being attacked, where you know, the
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:right to vote is under attack right now,
where they're making it harder to vote.
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:Um, you're seeing people kind
of be stripped of their heritage
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:where, you know, DEI wasn't real.
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:I mean, listen, in theory it was, it was
for blacks, but we always knew the truth.
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:Now what they thought was DEI
it we're, we're now starting to
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:understand who it's impacting.
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:So we'll see.
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:That's my point.
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:What looks like over the
next four years Exactly.
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:So I think everybody is waking up to
the idea that no one is safe, and we
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:have more in common than ever before.
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:Tony.
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:The changes that he's making because it's
impacting everybody at their pocketbook.
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:Tony Tidbit: Exactly.
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:And I love what you said.
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:We have more, we've
always had more in common.
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:Brad Bowling: We do.
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:Okay.
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:Tony Tidbit: To be fair,
they don't think we have
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:Brad Bowling: more in common, but we do.
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:Tony Tidbit: Yeah.
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:And but they, they did that on the, the
powers to be, do that on purpose, to get
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:us fighting against once, uh, amongst
each other so they can stay in control.
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:Right.
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:Let's divide and conquer.
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:Correct.
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:Let me ask you this.
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:What made you write this article?
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:Okay, and let's be fair, you guys, this
ain't the first time that you, that's
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:one thing I love about your magazine.
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:You always are educating people and
trying to get them to see things
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:that they may, may not be privy to.
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:But what was the reason for
you to write this article?
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:Brad Bowling: Well, I wanted to
write the article because we noticed
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:during the pandemic that everybody
had different levels of anxiety
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:and people were falling apart.
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:By what was going on with the pandemic.
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:The same thing was happening
with the Trump administration.
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:So when he won the night that he won,
I think I had three, four people tell
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:me they were leaving the country.
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:Okay.
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:That's how bad it was.
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:And then as he took office, you started
to see even more people say, listen,
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:man, I, I got heart palpitations.
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:I don't know what's going on.
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:I have trepidation, I'm
fearful, I'm scared.
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:I don't know what the future looks like.
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:You know, what are we gonna do?
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:And I'm like, what?
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:Wait a minute.
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:You do realize this is all by design.
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:Tony Tidbit: Correct?
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:It.
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:Brad Bowling: I think a lot of people
thought that what was going on was
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:abnormal and they didn't understand it.
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:So we wrote the shock doctrine to
educate people, this is what is going on.
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:This is how you need to be prepared.
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:Stop looking at the
distraction and stay focused.
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:Right?
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:Stay focused America, because if
you take your eye off the ball.
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:You are going to suffer even more.
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:So people who weren't prepared for this.
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:And again, right now the bottom rung of
America is probably the most protected
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:'cause they had nothing to lose anyway.
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:If you didn't have a 401k, you're okay.
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:If you working two jobs and Ubering, or
you're doing DoorDash, you're still okay.
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:It's the top.
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:It's the middle income and upper
middle class right now that's being
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:impacted by everything that's going on.
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:And so they needed to kind of
see, look, this is by design.
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:He's doing this on purpose.
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:Tony Tidbit: Flat out.
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:Brad Bowling: You need to know.
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:You need to know that.
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:Stay focused.
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:Tony Tidbit: Flat out.
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:Flat out straight strategy.
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:And, and you, and you, and, and, well,
I don't wanna say it like that, but
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:if you stay involved in these things,
you knew it was a strategy, right?
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:The dude was already president before.
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:All right.
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:Right.
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:He knew exactly what, what
handcuffed him before.
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:Yeah.
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:So this time he was gonna be prepared.
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:Oh, and then he was gonna
overwhelm you so nobody could try
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:to impeach or try to push back.
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:First, let me set up my, again,
Nino Brown, let me get my team.
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:These people loyal to me, so I ain't
gotta worry about somebody saying, Hey.
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:You can't do that, Mr.
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:President or Nino.
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:You can't.
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:No, no, no, no.
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:I'm gonna make, I'm gonna get rid of
anybody who ain't loyal to me right now.
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:I can do what the hell I want to
do now I'm gonna overwhelm them
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:and I'm gonna come at it so hard.
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:They don't know what to think.
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:So it is a strategy.
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:Speaking of that though, what
do you say to those people?
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:That feel helpless or too exhausted to
engage because I chatted with somebody
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:today, I had lunch, and she was like,
you know, Tony, I just turned the tv.
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:I can't take it no more.
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:Right.
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:It's just horrible.
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:And, and you know, I just don't, I
just wanna talk about happy thoughts
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:and, and I get all that right.
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:But at the end of the day, this, the,
the country is, is, is being ripped apart
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:in my opinion, right under your nose.
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:So you need to do something.
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:So what do you say to those people?
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:Brad Bowling: Man, it's tough because
depending on where you are, income level,
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:depending on what you, what you have in
the market, depending on, you know, what
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:kind of, uh, equity you're losing, right?
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:Depending on, uh, the layoff that you
just suffered from, it's very difficult
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:to tell people what to do when they
feel so much anxiety about their future.
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:When you used to have a job, right?
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:They used to say, go to college, get you
a good government job, and you'll be okay.
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:Well, that's not the case anymore.
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:So when people are knocked off their
foundation, you know, we'd love to
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:be able to sit here and say, Hey man,
just do A, B, and C and you'll be okay.
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:But now they don't know how they're
paying their mortgage the next
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:month, that bill, that bill is
coming whether you have a job or not.
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:And if you live in a community where
80% of everybody around you are federal
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:employees, who you selling your house to?
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:Where are you moving to?
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:What private job you know?
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:Are you going to with the resume
you haven't prepared in 20 years?
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:You don't even know what AI is, man.
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:Tony Tidbit: Right.
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:So,
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:Brad Bowling: you know what I mean.
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:So you have people out there, um, who
have high anxiety, who do not have a plan
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:B 'cause they didn't need one, right?
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:They were comfortable for
18, 20 years in government.
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:You know, 3% raises, you might've
made less than the national
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:average, but you were okay.
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:Now you don't know what to do.
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:And he's going after every
department, every way of life.
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:And nobody is safe.
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:So there's nowhere to hide.
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:There's nowhere to protect your money.
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:There's nowhere to protect your sanctity.
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:So I think right now you better hold on.
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:Love those around you.
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:You know, treat people like
you want to be treated.
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:I think, I think we all need to do
some soul searching and figure out what
541
:country would want to be going forward.
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:Right?
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:Because now you have everybody
looking at us, China, because did
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:you see the, the meme of the people.
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:Uh, the big people working in
the, in, you know, doing a fabric.
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:Did you see that meme?
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:Tony Tidbit: I have not, no.
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:Brad Bowling: Oh my God.
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:Okay.
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:I I,
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:Tony Tidbit: I'll check it out though.
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:I have to hear right.
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:Check it
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:Brad Bowling: out.
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:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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:Because, you know, now everybody is
looking at America because he did the
557
:ripple effect, which is the cover of our
April, uh, issue, the cascading injury
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:that we're all suffering from this.
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:Who knows what the end result will be
after the four years, when he gets done,
560
:if he doesn't find a way to circumvent
the Constitution to get a third term.
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:Tony Tidbit: Yeah.
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:So let me, let me throw this at you, man.
563
:And again, I I'm, I'm
gonna use Nino Brown again.
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:Okay.
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:Brad Bowling: You like him, huh?
566
:Tony Tidbit: I, I, because I think
it, it, it, it, it parallels what,
567
:what's happening today, right?
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:And it goes to my question, right?
569
:And again, let's go back, right.
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:Nino, either they're gonna be
happy customers as he taking over
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:the, the apartment building, or
they're gonna be lived in hostages.
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:Okay?
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:Okay.
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:Now, based on what's happening.
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:And I just asked you the question,
what, what, what do you say for those
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:people who feel hopeless and too
exhausted, you just came back with
577
:saying, Hey, I don't know what to do.
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:So they, they, they're
lived in hostages, right?
579
:They're lived in, and I don't think,
I don't think they wanna be lived
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:in ho so there should be something
that we can do as a collective.
581
:Right.
582
:And here's the thing, because yes, it's,
it's, it's, it reminds me of World War ii.
583
:When Germany, the reason they were
able to take over Europe because
584
:they used the same strategy, but they
did it from a military standpoint.
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:It was called Blitz Creek, okay.
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:Where they would just come in
immediately in the Poland and just
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:take over everything before they had
even chance to get the Army together.
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:All right?
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:And next thing you know, they surrender.
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:And then they did the same
thing, the Netherlands and, and
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:so they overwhelmed them before
they can even get a defense up.
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:And then by the time they were
already at the rolling at the Capitol
593
:where everybody gave up, and then
eventually they owned that country.
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:Okay.
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:And so at the end of
the day, I get it, that.
596
:These things are happening and there
is a strategy to overwhelm you.
597
:Where this way a person can put in all
the different policies that they want.
598
:Mm-hmm.
599
:To try to shape America, not just
now, 10, 15, 20 years from now.
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:That's really the key too, here.
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:So based on that, I.
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:You can't just be like, I give up.
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:Alright, there's gotta be
something for people to do.
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:So what do you think they could do?
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:Uh, in terms of pushing back or
getting more confidence or, yeah, I
606
:got a mortgage to pay, but I gotta do
something Because at the end of the
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:day, if they don't, then going back to
Nino Brown, they are lived in hostages.
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:Brad Bowling: Well, if you take
a look at the fifth, right?
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:You saw protest all over the world.
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:In our major cities, you saw
thousands and thousands of people.
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:And I would, you know, sarcastically
say, you know, what good is that doing?
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:But I think it starts
with, you know, an emotion.
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:Uh, then it starts with the organization.
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:And then I think we have to then
start to coalesce and, and, and
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:wrap our minds around who we
are electing as a, as officials.
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:And I, I think we play games with
that where, you know, sometimes we
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:come out to vote, sometimes we don't.
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:I don't think we can afford to miss vote.
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:I think we have to do a better
job paying attention to who we
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:vote for at the local level first.
621
:And then our local level, uh, seeps
up to who we vote for on a, on a
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:congressional level and regional level.
623
:And so I think that that matters.
624
:Right?
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:Right now the only balance we
have are the regional judges,
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:uh, who mostly are Republican at
this point, who are saving us.
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:Uh, from the wrath of the, the, the
changes in the executive orders that he's
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:making, and he still circumvent knows.
629
:Yeah, I heard you say that.
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:Uh, we can't deport these kinds of
people, but we're still gonna do it.
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:You don't have authority over us.
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:Right.
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:So he's still fighting
even court decisions.
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:Right.
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:So, you know, look, this is
the, this is the hand that we've
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:dealt, laid out for ourselves.
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:Tony, I don't know if
there's any recourse.
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:He's in office for four years.
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:Um, he's a felon.
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:They still voted for him, right?
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:Uh, I don't know what the recourse is.
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:I, I think we have to, unfortunately
right now, man, and I hate to
643
:say this 'cause I just don't
have a good answer for you, bro.
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:You gotta hold on and you have
to pray that his decisions
645
:don't impact you directly, like
they're impacting everybody else.
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:And I, I, I don't have an
answer for you at the moment.
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:Tony Tidbit: Right, right.
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:Well, here's the thing, Deborah.
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:I think so some of the things that
seem, um, that they, you know, seems
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:passive, that it reminds me again,
what was the flick I saw where, um,
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:oh, I think it was Black Panther.
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:Brad Bowling: Okay.
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:Tony Tidbit: Where they went out
and protested and they got arrested
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:and they were in the jail and, um.
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:I forget the brother who founded the
Black Panthers, I forget his name.
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:And he was all upset.
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:He would be Newton Huey Newton.
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:Huey Newton, yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:And he was all upset.
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:And the pastor says, look man, he
said, we gotta go out and fight.
662
:He said, look man, we gotta pray.
663
:And he was like, I don't wanna pray,
pray it ain't gonna do nothing for
664
:us, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
665
:Right?
666
:But here, here, but here's,
here's the thing though, bro.
667
:Here's the thing.
668
:Prayer worked, protests worked because if
they didn't work, we wouldn't be sitting
669
:here with the rights that we have today.
670
:Right?
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:So at the end of the day, it may
seem that these things don't matter
672
:or they're not strong enough, but at
the end of the day, as an individual
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:of the United States of America.
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:That is the one of the most
powerful things that we can do.
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:Regardless if you've got a lot of
money or you got no money, regardless
676
:if you got two houses or you about
to go into foreclosure, regardless
677
:if you just, you are holding on to
your job or you just lost your job.
678
:If people come together and those protests
and everybody starts doing them right,
679
:and, and, and then staying engaged.
680
:Okay.
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:'cause that's the other thing, you know
when, when, when Hitler took over Poland.
682
:They, they, they were
asleep at the switch.
683
:They knew the dude was building an army.
684
:Okay.
685
:And the next thing you
know, he takes over.
686
:Alright.
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:Right.
688
:So, and that's what happens to,
to your point, part of the shock
689
:doctrine is to overwhelm you.
690
:Yes.
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:Where you mentally surrender.
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:Correct.
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:Okay.
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:And at the end of the day when you
do that, then we are again, I hate
695
:keep saying, lived in hostages.
696
:We are lived in hostages, live
in hostages, and we don't wanna
697
:be a lived in hostage because
we have more power to come in.
698
:So let me ask you this, you know,
how do you interpret the idea when
699
:you don't stand up for everyone,
you eventually suffer too.
700
:Brad Bowling: Correct?
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:If you don't stand up for everyone.
702
:You stand up for no one.
703
:Right.
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:And so, man, it's so poignant that
you bring up that point because I
705
:take a look at how African Americans
have been treated, are treated, uh,
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:and continue to be treated right.
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:So, you know, we can sit here and,
and Tony, I'm just as mad at the
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:Democrats as I am at the Republicans.
709
:Yeah.
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:It doesn't even matter.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:I don't like none of it.
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:Tony Tidbit: Exactly.
715
:Brad Bowling: Exactly.
716
:Exactly.
717
:So, you know, when you take a look
at the, when we were under Democratic
718
:rule, we still were being police
profiled, killed at a high rate.
719
:Incarcerated at high levels, and then
here you got the Republicans in office and
720
:they're going, oh, we're gonna take away
your DEI, you know, affirmative action.
721
:Our DI, yeah,
722
:Tony Tidbit: our DEI.
723
:Right, right.
724
:Right.
725
:Now our DI get outta
it, but go ahead buddy.
726
:It
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:Brad Bowling: never, it was never our DEI.
728
:Correct?
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:Correct.
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:And just to kind of bring that up,
me and the media, when you take a
731
:look at D-E-I-D-E, I only worked
depending on who you, uh, reported to.
732
:If you reported to the CEO
and you could impact policy.
733
:Then you had power, you had influence.
734
:But you, if you reported to the
director of sales or marketing, you
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:know, you didn't have any power.
736
:And that's a lot of times where
DEI report, he'd be like, how
737
:did the thing tree you end up
way over here under sanitation.
738
:You know what I'm saying?
739
:So, right.
740
:Um, you know, but, but
to answer your question,
741
:if you don't, if you don't have
policy for everybody and you don't
742
:have the rule of law for everybody.
743
:You don't have the rule of law for anyone.
744
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745
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749
:inspire and lead the change.
750
:Brad Bowling: And I think what you're
starting to see is that how blacks are
751
:treated is not how everybody is treated.
752
:If you take a look at what's
going on in America, the rule
753
:of law applies to no one, right?
754
:Trump is above the law.
755
:This stupid 9 87.
756
:You can't prosecute uh uh
people unless they steal over
757
:a thousand dollars of stuff.
758
:So you got guys in cv, s and Walgreens.
759
:Just not, it's insane.
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:Insane.
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:It's insane, bro.
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:It's insane.
763
:The criminals have all the power
764
:Tony Tidbit: by flat
765
:Brad Bowling: out, they
have all the power.
766
:So I hope what we, what we begin to see
is Americans take our country back, right?
767
:Originally government was
supposed to be for the people.
768
:By the people of the people.
769
:We need to take the country
back kicking and screaming.
770
:We need term limits for
Congress and the Senate.
771
:And I don't mean term limits,
meaning well, they get to run again.
772
:No term limits.
773
:You got eight years.
774
:Get the.
775
:Uh, can I cuss on here?
776
:Tony Tidbit: Yeah.
777
:You get the hell out.
778
:Oh, you, you got four years.
779
:You got four years.
780
:Okay, go four years.
781
:That's it.
782
:Right,
783
:Brad Bowling: right.
784
:You get, you get one term,
two terms, and you gotta go.
785
:Right.
786
:Right.
787
:Tony Tidbit: And you refresh the plot.
788
:Brad Bowling: Right.
789
:Americans need to take the
Constitution back into our own hands.
790
:We need to demand the kind of
laws that we want in the books.
791
:Half of me, I don't, I can't be
super mad at Doge because I've
792
:always wanted the, the government
to function like my business.
793
:Right.
794
:I can't operate at a deficit.
795
:I can't live at a deficit.
796
:Why should the government
live at a deficit?
797
:I can't, I don't have waste in my budget.
798
:How can the government
have waste in its budget?
799
:So half focus are kind of like, man,
I'm kind of, you know, I don't mind with
800
:Doge is doing because it needed to have
peel back the onion and let's see where
801
:the, the know the bodies are buried.
802
:Right?
803
:How does a guy make 200 grand
a year as a congressman?
804
:But then they went worth
240 million in 20 years.
805
:Right.
806
:Aren't you a little curious as to how
Nancy Pelosi is worth all of this money?
807
:So, I, I kind of don't mind some of it.
808
:And I'm gonna tell you
another thing, Tony.
809
:I never used to believe that an American
president can move the needle in four
810
:years, but Donald Trump is the first
president that I've seen to come
811
:in and move the needle at a global
level in 90 days of being in office.
812
:I've never seen this before.
813
:Half of me has respect for him because
he does what he says he's going to do.
814
:Now we can debate if it's good
for us all day, but I gotta give
815
:him his props because he, he's
literally living the playbook.
816
:He set out, he said, tariffs, deportation.
817
:I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna
do this, I'm gonna do this.
818
:And he's doing it.
819
:He's literally doing what
he said he was going to do.
820
:Yeah.
821
:So can we really be surprised?
822
:Can we really be surprised?
823
:Did you think he was gonna
come in doing all of this?
824
:Tony Tidbit: Yeah.
825
:Okay.
826
:Alright.
827
:So yeah, because that was part
of the strategy and stuff, right?
828
:Right.
829
:Here's the thing though, bro.
830
:So here's the thing, and I hear you and
I respect what you're saying and, and
831
:you know, I, I, I look at it like this.
832
:So was there, is there
waste in government?
833
:Absolutely.
834
:Okay.
835
:I've worked at billion dollar
companies and there's waste.
836
:Right.
837
:Okay.
838
:They they have more resources
than they don't even know about.
839
:Correct.
840
:Okay.
841
:See, here's, this is why
I'm saying the hypocrisy.
842
:Okay.
843
:Because I've been at places, I,
I, I'm just being honest with you.
844
:Right, right.
845
:And so I'm all about, I don't
think there, see, here's the thing.
846
:I don't think nobody was sitting
back saying, uh, there's no waste.
847
:Of course it is, it's the government.
848
:Okay.
849
:But it's how you go about to do it.
850
:Okay?
851
:And then framing everybody that works
for the government as lazy or framing
852
:everybody that's uh, uh, uh, uh, from
Mexico or, or, or else as criminals.
853
:Okay?
854
:And see, these are the things
that, that going back to getting
855
:people to start believing.
856
:So you can do your Daly deed.
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:Okay.
858
:So Bill Clinton cut the
government by 12% back in 96.
859
:Okay.
860
:He didn't, so he was able to shrink it.
861
:Did you, do you remember that?
862
:No, most people don't because
he didn't do it this way.
863
:Right.
864
:And so at the end of, and then
here's the other thing, man.
865
:It's, it's park gangster.
866
:I hate to say it because the
bottom line is ain't problem, huh?
867
:Yeah, because here's the thing.
868
:You know, somebody taught me
this a long time ago, right?
869
:And I never forgot it.
870
:And they said, look, always you, if
you put a little truth to anything,
871
:you can do what the fuck you wanna do.
872
:Excuse me.
873
:And I'm cussing, okay, go ahead.
874
:You know,
875
:Brad Bowling: keep going.
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:Tony Tidbit: So my point is, my point
is, if, if I wanna take over, if I want
877
:to, uh, I don't wanna say destroy, but if
I wanna make things my way, I'll go in.
878
:With a sledgehammer, and then I'll show
you the little, uh, uh, the, the, the,
879
:the waste and say, see, I told you.
880
:Right?
881
:But hold on.
882
:But that's just to, to placate
you to say, I told you there's
883
:a lot of waste, and then I start
doing other things to take care.
884
:So let's stop a second.
885
:I gave prime example.
886
:Who's got Elon Musk?
887
:He's got government contracts.
888
:Yes, he does.
889
:All right.
890
:Is he cutting his own stuff?
891
:No, he's still getting $6 trillion a day.
892
:Yeah.
893
:So this is my point here.
894
:See, that's, that's what I'm
saying about the hypocrisy.
895
:But he's on TV saying, look, there's this
school teacher making 300 grand, or This
896
:person got Tim, but what about your stuff?
897
:See, that's.
898
:The point I'm trying to make here, so
if I can throw you, it's, it's called
899
:the, what was it, three card Molly game.
900
:Remember the day?
901
:Yeah.
902
:Or the shell game.
903
:Yeah.
904
:So I can come out and
say, Hey, look at this.
905
:And then you start
saying, see, I told you.
906
:But I'm the one that also has,
uh, contracts and, and nobody's.
907
:Nobody's doing a doge on me.
908
:You seem like pointy.
909
:So that's what, that's the part.
910
:So that's the game.
911
:Okay.
912
:So you throw a little truth into
something and then people believe
913
:it and you can do what you wanna do.
914
:Right?
915
:Because now they're thinking that
you are doing the, you are basically,
916
:um, doing everything that's right.
917
:And you're not, alright.
918
:So look, did he come in and, and, and,
and, and do everything he said he did?
919
:Absolutely right.
920
:Number two.
921
:Um, but I don't look.
922
:Time will tell, history will tell, okay?
923
:But what we need to do is
what we need to do today.
924
:And at the end of the day, and that's
the question I want to ask you buddy.
925
:So
926
:all these things are not just
affecting people of color, but
927
:they're affecting everybody, right?
928
:But let's, let's just
go right to the people.
929
:Let's go to our people,
let's go to people of color.
930
:What do we need?
931
:And let's talk specifically about men.
932
:Okay?
933
:Let's, let's go there.
934
:What do men need to do?
935
:While all this turmoil and all these
things are going on, I'm talking, and when
936
:I say men, I'm talking real men head of
household that's running their family.
937
:And I don't care if they're a brick
layer, I don't care if they're a CEO.
938
:The job title really doesn't matter.
939
:Right.
940
:But I wanna hear from you, what does, in
this situation where everybody's being
941
:effective, how can men make a difference?
942
:Brad Bowling: The first thing that
I would do, or the first piece of
943
:advice that I would give, uh, to men.
944
:Is to go join an an organization.
945
:Okay?
946
:When we take a look at the 1940s,
fifties, and sixties, and the
947
:Civil Rights Movement, black people
belong to the A CLU Urban League
948
:naacp, all three of them today.
949
:We don't belong to any of them.
950
:Okay?
951
:And so I would say go find
an organization to join.
952
:It doesn't have to be one of those.
953
:It can be 100 black men.
954
:It can be your local church.
955
:It can be a social group, it can
be big brothers, big sisters.
956
:It can be anything, but we
have to, we have to go back
957
:to becoming servants, right?
958
:If you take a look at the
integrity of America, it, the
959
:Fabric of America is gone.
960
:I think we have to restore the
fabric of America from the bottom
961
:down, from grassroots down, and
then expect integrity going up.
962
:So when you take a look at it, because
we let so much get away with it.
963
:Well, let me look away when I see
the black man getting profiled.
964
:Let me, let me look the other way.
965
:Hey, I like black.
966
:This is what they say.
967
:I like black people.
968
:But did you do anything when you saw
the police pull him over, when you saw
969
:the police stop the guy for no reason,
when he walked out of Starbucks with a
970
:coffee and you're questioning him saying
he fit the description, did you do
971
:anything when the brother got killed in
the apartment building in his own house?
972
:Because he just answered the
door and a cop decided to, did
973
:you, dude, did you do anything?
974
:Right.
975
:If you didn't do anything, then why would
I care about your 401k being half now?
976
:So we have to go back to taking
care and caring about everybody,
977
:Tony Tidbit: right?
978
:Brad Bowling: That's
the first step, right?
979
:So you have to go join an organization
and become a servant to society again.
980
:That's where I would start.
981
:And then once you start that at
the head of the household, you
982
:demand it throughout the household.
983
:Honey, what are you
doing to give back kids?
984
:Go join something.
985
:We're gonna go to church as a family.
986
:We're gonna go over here
and paint this house.
987
:We're gonna take the, the neighbor
who's 87 lives by herself.
988
:We're gonna knock on her door
and see does she need food?
989
:Is that wall wet because the house is damp
or are we gonna go and make sure that her
990
:house is not imploding from inside out?
991
:Right.
992
:Um, so those are the first things that I
would recommend that we do as a society
993
:is become servants of society again.
994
:A lot of us take, but we don't give.
995
:Tony Tidbit: Buddy.
996
:That is some excellent number one.
997
:Thanks for sharing that.
998
:Because you're a hundred percent right
and those things are in our control.
999
:Okay?
:
00:42:48,884 --> 00:42:49,035
Correct.
:
00:42:49,095 --> 00:42:50,505
And they, and here's the thing.
:
00:42:50,955 --> 00:42:55,274
They matter and they may
not be on the evening news.
:
00:42:55,484 --> 00:42:56,115
Okay.
:
00:42:56,115 --> 00:42:56,174
Yeah.
:
00:42:56,415 --> 00:43:01,245
But those little things that everybody can
do together, I love start being a servant.
:
00:43:01,484 --> 00:43:03,285
Start the community, come together.
:
00:43:03,375 --> 00:43:04,725
Start with your own family.
:
00:43:04,725 --> 00:43:05,055
Right?
:
00:43:05,055 --> 00:43:05,115
Yeah.
:
00:43:05,355 --> 00:43:08,234
This is time to buckle down and
let's become, let's, let's, let's.
:
00:43:08,415 --> 00:43:10,335
Let our family stand for something.
:
00:43:10,365 --> 00:43:10,725
Right?
:
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:10,940
Right.
:
00:43:10,965 --> 00:43:16,125
Let us all get together and really,
you know, focus on not only loving
:
00:43:16,125 --> 00:43:19,095
one another, but also loving
the community and helping them.
:
00:43:19,305 --> 00:43:23,775
Because when you do that across
all different lines, it's hard for
:
00:43:23,775 --> 00:43:25,785
people not to come back and love you.
:
00:43:26,085 --> 00:43:26,625
Okay.
:
00:43:26,685 --> 00:43:28,605
And what happens is, and, and this.
:
00:43:28,605 --> 00:43:31,360
Is the thing, my brother, you hit it
right on the head, so thank you for that.
:
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:31,720
Mm-hmm.
:
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,670
And we've gotten away from that.
:
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,150
So now when you've gotten away, it's every
man, you know, what's that old saying?
:
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:40,390
Three, you know, every day for
24 hours, seven days a week.
:
00:43:41,110 --> 00:43:45,279
Every individual thinks about
three individuals all day long.
:
00:43:45,370 --> 00:43:47,441
And those three individuals
are mean, myself and I.
:
00:43:48,009 --> 00:43:48,460
Okay.
:
00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:49,180
And that's just a fact.
:
00:43:49,515 --> 00:43:50,115
That's a fact.
:
00:43:50,174 --> 00:43:50,595
Right?
:
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:50,755
Right.
:
00:43:50,759 --> 00:43:54,105
And so when you start be thinking
about me, myself, and I, and then
:
00:43:54,105 --> 00:43:58,035
you are not looking out, or to your
point when you see the brother get
:
00:43:58,035 --> 00:44:00,734
pulled over and just walk over and
say, Hey officer, is everything okay?
:
00:44:00,734 --> 00:44:01,515
What's going on here?
:
00:44:01,515 --> 00:44:01,815
Right?
:
00:44:01,819 --> 00:44:02,029
Right.
:
00:44:02,115 --> 00:44:06,045
Or you see the old lady who needs
a seat on the train and everybody's
:
00:44:06,045 --> 00:44:08,535
standing and she's standing up and
everybody's sitting down, why don't,
:
00:44:08,535 --> 00:44:10,245
excuse me, miss, why don't you
come over here and take this seat?
:
00:44:10,245 --> 00:44:10,845
Take my seat.
:
00:44:11,145 --> 00:44:11,384
Right?
:
00:44:11,384 --> 00:44:11,595
Correct.
:
00:44:11,625 --> 00:44:16,845
All these little things matter because
what happens is when we don't do them.
:
00:44:17,225 --> 00:44:21,964
Then it's easy for people to
put narratives out and say, this
:
00:44:21,964 --> 00:44:23,525
group is getting more than you.
:
00:44:24,125 --> 00:44:26,645
These people are trying
to take advantage of you.
:
00:44:26,825 --> 00:44:31,745
And because that community is not together
and people are not experiencing that,
:
00:44:31,955 --> 00:44:33,964
they start saying, yeah, you right.
:
00:44:34,775 --> 00:44:37,924
Yeah, you, and then we
get to where we are today.
:
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:38,735
Right, right.
:
00:44:38,855 --> 00:44:41,255
So I love what you said,
my brother, I love.
:
00:44:41,464 --> 00:44:42,185
Let me ask you this.
:
00:44:42,185 --> 00:44:43,235
How can BEP help.
:
00:44:44,805 --> 00:44:48,255
Code Magazine continue
to move forward in::
00:44:48,495 --> 00:44:51,675
Brad Bowling: You know, man, I, I, I
think we continue to have conversations
:
00:44:51,675 --> 00:44:54,735
like this and I say, you know, maybe,
I don't know if we start some type of
:
00:44:54,735 --> 00:44:59,055
online movement where after these, you
know, we have some kind of form fill.
:
00:44:59,385 --> 00:45:02,805
If people want advice or if they
want communication, if they have
:
00:45:02,805 --> 00:45:05,985
anxiety, if they need support, if
they want to have a conversation.
:
00:45:06,465 --> 00:45:09,045
You know, I think maybe we set
up the platforms to have some
:
00:45:09,045 --> 00:45:11,745
of these conversations, because
you and I are not the only ones.
:
00:45:12,375 --> 00:45:16,125
Uh, having this compensation, if
we're having it, a hundred thousand
:
00:45:16,125 --> 00:45:17,265
people are thinking about it,
:
00:45:17,444 --> 00:45:17,565
Tony Tidbit: right?
:
00:45:17,565 --> 00:45:18,464
There's no question, buddy.
:
00:45:18,529 --> 00:45:21,194
Brad Bowling: And, and so we have
to find new and better ways to
:
00:45:21,194 --> 00:45:24,315
support each other's, uh, passions.
:
00:45:24,375 --> 00:45:30,404
Our anxiety, uh, our fears, um, and I
think we have to have a greater sense
:
00:45:30,404 --> 00:45:35,234
of community because I'm gonna tell you
there's two, three guys that we know right
:
00:45:35,234 --> 00:45:37,634
now who are not saying anything to us.
:
00:45:37,995 --> 00:45:39,884
And we don't know where
they are mentally, right?
:
00:45:40,095 --> 00:45:42,105
We don't know what their
financial situation is.
:
00:45:42,375 --> 00:45:44,775
We don't know what their anxiety
level is, and we don't know
:
00:45:44,775 --> 00:45:48,435
what their next steps are 'cause
they're not telling us and right.
:
00:45:48,435 --> 00:45:52,785
And so, you know, suicide, uh,
thoughts of suicide, this is real.
:
00:45:53,355 --> 00:45:53,955
This is real.
:
00:45:53,955 --> 00:45:55,725
So we have to pay attention to each other.
:
00:45:56,175 --> 00:45:59,205
We just have to do a better job of
taking care of, uh, of each other.
:
00:45:59,205 --> 00:46:01,815
Tony And the, and the one thing
that I wanna say to you is when
:
00:46:01,815 --> 00:46:03,285
we hold ourselves accountable.
:
00:46:04,245 --> 00:46:06,075
And then we start to hold
each other accountable.
:
00:46:06,285 --> 00:46:08,355
We will start to hold them accountable.
:
00:46:08,565 --> 00:46:10,484
And then that's where you're
gonna start to see change.
:
00:46:10,484 --> 00:46:10,815
Right?
:
00:46:11,085 --> 00:46:14,355
But because we're not accountable, we
don't hold anybody else accountable.
:
00:46:14,355 --> 00:46:15,555
And I think that's where it starts.
:
00:46:16,455 --> 00:46:19,274
Tony Tidbit: Brad Bowling,
president CODE M Magazine.
:
00:46:19,575 --> 00:46:22,335
Thanks for coming on my brother
and sharing your perspective.
:
00:46:22,455 --> 00:46:23,475
Brad Bowling: I appreciate it, man.
:
00:46:23,475 --> 00:46:24,225
Thank you so much.
:
00:46:24,225 --> 00:46:25,605
You're doing a fantastic job.
:
00:46:25,605 --> 00:46:29,535
Congratulations on your award, uh,
that you received just recently.
:
00:46:29,535 --> 00:46:31,964
I know your second year I'm watching you.
:
00:46:32,385 --> 00:46:34,335
Has kicked off to a strong start, man.
:
00:46:34,335 --> 00:46:36,735
So continued success and I
can't wait to be back on.
:
00:46:37,215 --> 00:46:39,105
Tony Tidbit: Uh, buddy, we're gonna
have you come back to dive into a
:
00:46:39,105 --> 00:46:40,755
couple more articles, so stay there.
:
00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:41,865
Love you a lot problem.
:
00:46:42,105 --> 00:46:43,035
Really appreciate it.
:
00:46:43,035 --> 00:46:47,355
So I wanna thank Brad Bowling, president
Col magazine for coming on and sharing
:
00:46:47,355 --> 00:46:49,965
his perspective about this shock doctrine.
:
00:46:50,175 --> 00:46:53,805
So now I think it's
time for Tony's tidbit.
:
00:46:53,925 --> 00:46:59,475
Okay, and the tidbit today, disaster
capitalism feels like confusion.
:
00:46:59,805 --> 00:47:04,305
It counts on people being too
distracted, too divided, or
:
00:47:04,305 --> 00:47:06,255
too overwhelmed to respond.
:
00:47:06,795 --> 00:47:08,535
But clarity is a weapon.
:
00:47:09,134 --> 00:47:13,035
When you understand the game,
you stop being a pawn in it.
:
00:47:13,095 --> 00:47:15,615
Or like we were talking
about, a lived in hostage.
:
00:47:15,975 --> 00:47:16,485
All right?
:
00:47:16,634 --> 00:47:22,455
Purpose gives you direction and direction
gives you power in times of crisis.
:
00:47:22,515 --> 00:47:28,214
Knowing who you are and why you
fight is the beginning of liberation.
:
00:47:28,785 --> 00:47:31,815
And you heard a lot of that
from my brother, uh, Brad
:
00:47:31,815 --> 00:47:33,345
Bowling at Code Air Magazine.
:
00:47:33,345 --> 00:47:36,225
So don't want everybody to forget
to check out this Thursday.
:
00:47:36,225 --> 00:47:37,214
Need to know by Dr.
:
00:47:37,214 --> 00:47:40,065
Nsenga Burton on A Black
Executive Perspective podcast.
:
00:47:40,305 --> 00:47:40,680
Dr.
:
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,625
Burton ties into the timely, crucial
topics that shape our community and world.
:
00:47:45,045 --> 00:47:48,345
You ain't got time to know
everything, but you should have time
:
00:47:48,345 --> 00:47:50,535
to check out, need to know with Dr.
:
00:47:50,535 --> 00:47:54,495
Nsenga Burton because she's gonna
educate you so you don't wanna miss it.
:
00:47:54,585 --> 00:47:57,015
And don't forget to check
out coming out next week.
:
00:47:57,615 --> 00:48:01,635
Next episode of Pull Up, speak up our
round table where they dive into bold,
:
00:48:01,845 --> 00:48:07,395
unfiltered, uh, uh, topics, the most
provocative issues, sharp perspectives,
:
00:48:07,395 --> 00:48:09,345
real talk, and the call to action.
:
00:48:09,375 --> 00:48:12,135
I'm telling you, this is
not just, uh, an episode.
:
00:48:12,135 --> 00:48:13,155
This is a revolution.
:
00:48:13,155 --> 00:48:13,480
So check out.
:
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:15,080
Pull up, speak up.
:
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,589
So now, as everyone knows, and
this is your first time listening
:
00:48:18,589 --> 00:48:23,089
or watching to A Black Executive
Perspective podcast, our goal is to
:
00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:25,279
eliminate all forms of discrimination.
:
00:48:25,279 --> 00:48:28,640
And we've come up with a call to
action, an acronym, which we call
:
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,149
less LESS, and I'm gonna kick it off.
:
00:48:32,149 --> 00:48:33,560
L stands for learn.
:
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:36,920
You wanna educate yourself on
racial and cultural nuances.
:
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,069
'cause the more that you learn
about other people, the better.
:
00:48:40,129 --> 00:48:42,140
And then once you learn,
you have the letter.
:
00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:44,339
E, which stands for empathy.
:
00:48:44,339 --> 00:48:47,640
Right now, since you've learned,
you should have more, you should
:
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,480
be more empathetic to what your
friends and brothers and colleagues
:
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,899
are going through because you can
put yourself in their shoes, and
:
00:48:54,899 --> 00:48:56,879
then the first S stands for share.
:
00:48:57,089 --> 00:48:57,960
You now.
:
00:48:58,095 --> 00:49:01,395
As Brad was talking about, you wanna
go out and share what you've learned to
:
00:49:01,544 --> 00:49:03,615
other people that don't know your friends.
:
00:49:03,615 --> 00:49:06,105
And Colin, lemme tell you about
this, lemme tell you about that so
:
00:49:06,105 --> 00:49:07,725
that you can help enlighten them.
:
00:49:07,904 --> 00:49:09,495
And then the final S stands for Stop.
:
00:49:09,734 --> 00:49:14,055
You wanna actively stop discrimination
as it walks in your path.
:
00:49:14,055 --> 00:49:14,924
As Brad talked about.
:
00:49:14,924 --> 00:49:18,404
You see the guy get pulled over,
walk over there, say something right?
:
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:24,194
Because if everybody can actually, uh,
if you see Aunt Jenny or Uncle Joe.
:
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,910
This is simple as this and the
Sunday dinner table and they say
:
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:29,080
something that's inappropriate.
:
00:49:29,290 --> 00:49:31,120
You say, I'm Jenny Uncle Joe.
:
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,260
We don't believe that.
:
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:33,400
We don't say that.
:
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,840
And you stop it right there.
:
00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:38,320
So everyone can incorporate less LESS.
:
00:49:38,530 --> 00:49:41,320
We'll build a more fair,
more understanding world.
:
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:46,129
And we'll see the change we wanna
see because less will become more.
:
00:49:46,339 --> 00:49:49,730
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:
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:53,689
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:
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:
00:49:57,830 --> 00:50:03,859
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:
00:50:03,859 --> 00:50:06,080
of Cold Air Magazine, Brad Bowling.
:
00:50:06,259 --> 00:50:07,399
I'm Tony Tidbit.
:
00:50:07,654 --> 00:50:10,925
We talked about it, we laughed
about it, we learned about it.
:
00:50:11,255 --> 00:50:15,035
We're still gonna strive about it
and we're gonna thrive about it.
:
00:50:15,365 --> 00:50:16,384
We love you.
:
00:50:16,505 --> 00:50:17,315
And guess what?
:
00:50:17,375 --> 00:50:17,765
We're out
:
00:50:21,875 --> 00:50:24,485
BEP Narrator: A Black
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