BEP Insights-Accountability in Law Enforcement and Leadership

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Where's the partner?

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The partner was there.

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Why didn't the partner say my partner

shot this lady in the face for no reason?

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Where was that?

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Okay.

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There was a total cover up

until the video came out.

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Then they fired him.

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Okay.

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That's the issue.

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There's a million issues here,

but the partner was there.

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He saw it.

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Where did that go?

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We'll discuss race and how it plays

a factor and how we didn't even talk

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about this topic because we were afraid.

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BEP Narrator: A Black

Executive Perspective.

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Tony Tidbit: Welcome to the Black

Executive Perspective Podcast, a

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safe space where we discuss all

matters related to race, especially

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race in corporate America.

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I'm your host, Tony Tidbit.

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Chris P. Reed: And I'm

your co host, Chris P.

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Reed.

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Tony Tidbit: And again,

we are live at WNHU 88.

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Podcast studio.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah, definitely.

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It's all about fitness and mental

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So definitely go and check them out.

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So if you, you know, obviously it's the

summertime and people are in and out.

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Vacations, the whole nine

yards runs the gamut here.

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Right.

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And you know, look, I was on vacation

the last couple of weeks as well.

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Uh, with my family in Martha's

Vineyard, uh, for two weeks,

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having a really, really good time.

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Right.

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However, when you're on vacation,

the world don't stop turning.

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All right.

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Stuff still comes up and keeps happening.

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Right.

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And so based on that, Chris and

myself wanted to dive into some

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of the topics that have happened

over the last couple of weeks.

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And we want to give you our point

of view on some of these areas.

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And we, and trust me, um, there's,

like I said, the world keeps turning.

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And so there's a lot of

things that's been going on.

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So today.

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For this episode, we're going to

discuss these, these topics, give

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our point of view, and then more

importantly, hope that you definitely

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see where we're coming from.

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Because at the end of the day,

discussion is always about learning.

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And our goal is to learn from

what's happening in the world.

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So we can hopefully make

the world a better place.

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What's your thoughts on that?

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My brother,

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Chris P. Reed: man, I think that's

exactly what we need to write this time.

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And I think we're going

to do a good job of it.

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And I think the people enjoy it.

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Tony Tidbit: All right, my man.

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So look, let's don't hold them up.

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Are you ready to talk about it?

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Chris P. Reed: I'm ready.

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Tony Tidbit: All right,

let's talk about it.

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Chris P. Reed: So, the 1st thing I

wanted to get into is probably going

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to cascade into the other things that

we have before us, but that is what are

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the qualifications for certain roles.

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And 1 of the things that I think we

should really look at and investigate.

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We, we, we, it would do us justice to

explore the mandatory psychological

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evaluations that are aligned with

certain positions, especially those

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that are in government law enforcement.

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All right.

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and judicial, you know, responsibilities.

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And the reason why that is is because

you should have to have a certain

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Psychological acumen in order to

facilitate roles that are responsible

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for the prosperity and the protection

and the oversight of humanity.

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Right?

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And so a couple of examples that

we'll talk about, but tell me what

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your thoughts is on those type

of mandatory things put in place.

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Tony Tidbit: So, so number one, I mean,

this is something you wanted to bring up.

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And, and, um, number one, you said a

couple of words to start laughing because

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they've been, these words have been big

time over the last two, three weeks, no

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one, you said qualifications and then

you psychological, uh, not psychological

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safety, but psychological, uh, um, What's

the word I'm looking for that you're

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competent psychological competency, right?

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And, and so, so those things have been,

um, big over the last couple of weeks.

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So do me a favor dive into when you're

talking about psychological competency.

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For basic qualifications for certain

roles, elaborate, what do you mean?

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So

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Chris P. Reed: the easy one, low hanging

fruit at this point in time is the

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GOP's assertion that Joe Biden wasn't

mentally competent to run the free world.

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Okay.

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He wasn't qualified mentally to

hold the position that we were

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paying him to hold as the commander

in chief leader at a free world.

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Tony Tidbit: Okay.

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Chris P. Reed: And there was

some back and forth about that.

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And.

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Ironically, there are some

positions, some roles.

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I got a boy that's a air traffic

control and 1 of the qualification

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1 of the mandates in air traffic

control is at the age of 52, you

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should be retiring and they did some

type of, uh, understanding or equation

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to where you start to lose certain.

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Capacities and focus and

things of that nature.

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So you're compensated

loaded on the front end.

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Because they know that around 52,

you're going to be up out of there.

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You got to find something else to do,

whether they're still in that vein or not.

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They don't want you watching planes and

being vigilant with your eyes and them

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dark rooms and all that kind of stuff.

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That's smart.

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I love that.

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I love that.

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Right.

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Makes sense.

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But it's an understood dynamic that

with age becomes mental degradation.

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Um, but it's also a situation where

your prejudice, your bias, the

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baggage that you bring into roles.

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Maybe shouldn't be aligned with certain

responsibilities that roles have,

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like a police officer, like a judge,

like a president of the United States.

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So not only should we be wagging our

finger at somebody too old and passing.

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Cognitive dissonance test.

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But we should also be saying, should this

person represent the free world based on

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their psychological makeup, based on how

they see things and how they interact,

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because some sociopaths it's great for

a CEO to not care about numbers and

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cut thousands of people's job and not

care about the repercussive actions.

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That's not great for a leader

of people in a society.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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Chris P. Reed: And I think that

one of the feedback that you'll

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receive about Donald Trump.

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Particularly is he that's just

Trump being Trump and he just crazy.

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He's just going to say whatever,

but this role doesn't call for that.

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This role calls for decorum.

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This role call for presidential kind of

executive positioning and responsibility.

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You can't be a wild card and

then you can lead everybody.

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Tony Tidbit: So go ahead

and finish your thoughts.

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Chris P. Reed: just think that if

we had somebody learned and trained

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and that had put something together

to say, these are the steps you

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have, these are the prerequisites.

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To fit this role,

psychological prerequisites.

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We might not be in this

position we're in now, bro.

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Tony Tidbit: So, so

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you said a lot there.

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Okay.

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A lot.

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And there's, we could

talk about this all day.

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Cause we can go in a million ways, right?

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You use the air traffic controller, um,

who obviously that person has millions

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of people's lives in their hand, right?

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One mistake, thousands of people,

hundreds of people can die.

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Right.

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So, you know, uh, evidently they

came up with some type of, you know,

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You know, mechanism to say, you get

to a certain age, you, you start,

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uh, decreasing in your ability to

be able to stay, uh, competent in

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terms of being able to do that.

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Now, let's be fair, you know, and then

again, this is where we get into trouble.

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Okay.

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It's because every person

that's 52 ain't 52.

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All right.

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Every person that's 70 ain't 70.

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Okay.

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And, you know, so we, so that's

where the gray areas come into.

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Okay.

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Because we all don't age the same, our

brains don't diminish the same, you

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know, so, so that's the great, that's

the rub, that's the, the hard thing to,

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to, to, to put it to the, to define and

say specifically, um, you're done right

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now, all that being said to your point,

I think there is a thing that you have

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to, at least people should be getting

tested when you're in these roles.

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Constantly.

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Okay.

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And, and so when we look at

Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

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You know, so, and again,

this is our opinions.

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Okay.

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These are things that we believe

based on our experiences and that

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we're going to talk about, right.

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You know, and we know when you

have the highest, when you hold

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the highest office in the land, all

right, which is the president of the

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United States, it's going to age you.

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All right.

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If you look at every president

that went in, all right.

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And then four years later, what they

looked like eight years later, Okay.

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They're totally different individuals.

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And rightfully so, because you're

carrying weight on every little thing

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that when you and I go to sleep,

we ain't thinking about, all right.

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And it's not just what's happening

in the United States, it's global.

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So you're going to age, right?

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That's number one.

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Okay.

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And I think we're at an area now,

and let's be fair now, because I,

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you know, like I said earlier, every

50, every number, ain't the same.

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You know, when I was a kid, You know,

our parents, they were 40, 50, they

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were like, they ain't go make it.

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All right.

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Because they didn't take care of

themselves where today people are 50

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and they're like the new 50 is a new 40.

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All right.

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60 is the new 50, but we're talking

different type of things here.

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Right.

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We're talking good.

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You brought up is there certain

positions that psychologically

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you got to be squared away.

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Right.

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Yes.

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And then sometimes the people

calling or saying that you're not

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psych psychologically competent.

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Is the person that

psychologically competent.

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All right.

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So, so who's who's testing who?

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Yeah, who's who's testing who?

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All right.

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And so I remember we're on

vacation, uh, Gayle and I.

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Oh, no, no, this was probably

before we were on vacation

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after they had the first debate.

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Right.

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And let's be fair.

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And again, this is my opinion.

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And I saw the first debate, I'm

sorry, Joe Biden, you did a good job.

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All right.

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At the end of the day, it's just time.

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And this is where I

think it's less than him.

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He's crazy.

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It's just age has caught up with him.

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Right.

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Right.

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And, and, and here's the thing

though, when you're on a debate

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stage, what is a debate stage about?

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Chris P. Reed: About the

facts about, uh, information,

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Tony Tidbit: right?

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So somebody saying you're saying one

thing, somebody saying, nah, that ain't

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true, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And then you got to have your wits about

you to be able to challenge or push back

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immediately based on what is being set.

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Right.

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And we saw that he couldn't do that.

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Right.

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And, and the right thing to do in

my opinion, and I think a lot of

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people was for him to bow out and let

somebody, you know, new come in and

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look, we have these things now where

people say we should put age limits.

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Um, there should be.

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And, and, and I'm gonna be honest

with you in those type of roles.

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I think that kind of makes sense.

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Okay.

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But here's the thing, the point I

wanted to go and I'm gonna turn the

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mic back over to you is that, um, Okay.

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Me and we were watching, I think it was

CBS this morning and stuff like that.

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And they were asking people, uh,

what was their opinion of the debate?

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And, and, and, and, and is Joe, Joe,

Joe Biden or Donald Trump too old.

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And this one guy, this one guy

said, and it had me dying laughing.

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He said, look, he said, they're both old.

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Right.

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He said, one person is

slowing down because of age.

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The other one is just unhinged.

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I started laughing because I

thought it was really funny, right?

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But to your point, who's to say?

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Right.

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I just think I'm going

back to what you're saying.

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Yes, there should be some level.

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And you talked about police officers

and, and judges, the same thing.

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There's no age limit on them, but

eventually, and we'll, we'll dive into it.

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Eventually people become unhinged, right?

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There's not, they're not

there psychologically, right.

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To, to do the job that they're

supposed to do at the level

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that they're supposed to do it.

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Chris P. Reed: Well, I think the

situation is Tony, it's not even so

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much about the age, but about the.

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Uh, the mental acumen, the ability

to understand and rationalize

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the responsibilities of the role.

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I'll give you a couple of instances, but

in the instance, we'll go to the police

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officers in a moment, but let's just

stick to the highest office in the land.

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Yeah, um, we have to have a check.

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The whole.

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Democratic Republic is based on a

series of checks and balances, right?

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So, so there's a, there's a term in Latin,

case custodes, ipsos custodes, and that

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is who will guard the guardians, right?

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Who's policing the police, who's

telling the people who are supposed

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to be in charge that enough's enough.

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And the good thing about this current

situation is that the Democrats

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chose to guard the guardian.

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Tony Tidbit: Correct.

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Chris P. Reed: And they chose to say,

Hey, we're This is not good for us.

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This is not how we want to

represent ourselves as a collective.

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And so what we'll do is make

adjustments to not have this

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represent us going forward.

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Unfortunately, when you hear

the GOP, it's, that's how he

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feels, you know, he's just crazy.

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We don't all think like that.

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We don't all feel like that.

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And you can't absolve yourself

to sometimes be aligned with

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someone who you've designated.

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As your leader, your leader represents and

speaks for your interest and your vision

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and your purpose at all times should be.

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And so it's too much of a mixed bag.

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Get this person evaluated to say, if

this is, if this is how he really is

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and who he really is, then we have to

live with that and understand that.

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But it's too often where they say,

well, that's not what he meant.

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Those words are in English.

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I speak English.

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You speak English first language.

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I understand the definition

of terms and words.

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I'm taking it for face value.

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I can't go, like I tell my wife all

the time, I can't go by what you mean.

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I can only go by what you say.

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Tony Tidbit: So just to be

clear though, because I just

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want to make sure we're clear.

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What you're saying is, I just want to

be clear is that for Trump, you have

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people always trying to interpret.

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What

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he's saying, which could, to be fair,

he could be incompetent, psychologically

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incompetent as well, but instead

of them calling that out, they're

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basically trying to be, um, a surrogate.

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In terms of just trying to

say, Oh, he don't mean that.

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Well, you know, he

didn't mean it that way.

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And, and, and to be fair, that's

a good point because as you get

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older, I remember, I'm just going

to my own experience, right?

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And as, as, as my parents and

grandpa, and you, they get older,

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they start saying some crazy stuff.

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Right.

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And then you're like, what did they say?

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And, and, but these were the

same individuals that had.

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threw major wisdom on you

throughout your life, right?

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And I remember this was years ago,

buddy, when I was in Hawaii, I was

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over my, um, my girlfriend's house

and her mother said something to me.

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I never forgot.

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And she was talking about, I think

her mother was going through,

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to your point, mental challenges

and stuff of that nature.

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And she said something, she

said, look, always remember,

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once an adult, twice a child.

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And I never forgot that.

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And what she was meaning is, we

come into the world as a child.

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Then we become an adult, but as

we get into our older ages, We

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become childlike again, right?

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And that's everybody, right?

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So I hear your point in terms of,

you know, somebody always trying to

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make excuses for somebody who may

be, they may be off the rails, right?

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Where's their test?

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Who's holding them accountable, and

when you say holding them accountable,

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we're talking about holding them

accountable, we're talking the group

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holding them accountable, right?

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Well, as you said, what the Democrats

did when it came to Joe Biden, right?

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Now look, net net, let's be fair.

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This is all about winning.

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So if somebody, you know, let's just

be fair now, if, if this had nothing

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to do with winning, I don't think they

would have said nothing to Joe Biden.

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All right.

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They would have been like,

you know, happy trails, good

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luck, whatever the case may be.

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Okay.

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But this is about winning

and holding power.

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And then when it's about winning and

holding power, then all bets are off.

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Right.

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And that's the, that's the other

thing about the other side.

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They want to win.

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And they feel that this person,

Trump is their best chance to win.

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So, so what if he's senile?

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All right.

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So what if he ain't got

his faculties together?

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We're going to prop them up.

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And look, I'm not saying that, but I'm

just saying it's all when, when it's

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about winning, people are willing to

do whatever it takes to get it done.

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Chris P. Reed: I think we got to be

cognizant of the blast radius though,

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Tony, like some wars are, the juice

is not worth the squeeze, right?

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So we win this election at the cost of the

civility Of our nation and the sanctity

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of our citizens at the reputation that we

forged and fought and died for that you

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served for, to be honest with you, right?

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Like we're, we're, we become a

laughingstock on so many different

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accords where you have people that say,

uh, he's, he says so many irresponsible

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things that are not classically aligned

with the role, even when in office.

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That it should have been like, oh, my

gosh, I can't believe somebody of that.

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It would say that after being

provided the platform in which he

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has, he's, he's not very, he's not

very presidential with the platform.

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And so we can go into policies and

things of that nature, whatever

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the case may be, but it's not even

translating into goodwill and good kind

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of pulling out of the Paris accord is

so many different things where we're

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acting like these things didn't occur.

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We're not going to get to

the insurrection right now.

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: 00:18:02

Right.

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But we're acting like.

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Everything's a mulligan.

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Like everything can't be a Mulligan.

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No, you don't.

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I mean, in that situation, we

have to hold people accountable.

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If we're going to hold ourselves

as a society accountable.

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And I think that for us on this

platform and this podcast, we as

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black people are overarched in the

accountability factor, like we are.

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We have to be used to black taxes,

all this other stuff, you know, for

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a fact, there's no way Obama could

have not been top of the class.

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Could have said whatever the hell

he wanted to say late for meetings,

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not reading press reports, firing

people, friends, going to jail.

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Can you imagine it would never

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Tony Tidbit: happen?

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Okay.

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Chris P. Reed: Like, like Sam,

Jack said, in time to heal,

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close your eyes, close your eyes.

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Imagine he was black . Oh,

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Tony Tidbit: yeah, yeah.

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No, that was, uh, Matthew Macon.

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Yeah, mcc, right?

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Imagine that he was black.

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All right.

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Next thing him not guilty, man.

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Alright.

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No.

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Come on.

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: 00:18:54

She, he said Imagine if she was

white, but he was white, right?

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Imagine if was white saying Trump, right?

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If

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Chris P. Reed: Donald Trump oh,

was black, it is Donald Trump.

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Close your eyes.

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Close your eyes.

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No.

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Imagine he was black.

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No,

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Tony Tidbit: no.

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, it wouldn't have done finish.

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: 00:19:07

All right.

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And here's the thing, bro.

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You, so number one, you're not, and

listen, you're not saying nothing

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that hasn't been said a million times.

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The bottom line is, is his people

that don't want accountability.

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: 00:19:19

It's the people that support them that

are willing to listen to any excuse.

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: 00:19:24

All right.

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And, and that's where we've had,

we've degraded as a society.

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: 00:19:29

Because at the end of the day, the

president of the United States,

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it's more than just a power thing.

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: 00:19:36

It's about a moral thing as well.

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: 00:19:38

It's about how the world sees us, you

know, you know, you know, and you go back

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: 00:19:44

to, uh, uh, George Washington, right?

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Who, who chopped down the cherry tree?

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I can't tell a lie.

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I did it right.

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: 00:19:52

And then that was the thing that you did.

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: 00:19:54

You always tell the truth.

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: 00:19:56

Let's close our eyes and imagine

that, uh, Trump is George Washington.

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: 00:20:01

All right.

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: 00:20:02

He would have said, I ain't do it.

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: 00:20:04

All right.

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: 00:20:05

So blame somebody else.

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: 00:20:08

So, so at the end of the day.

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: 00:20:12

People, when people allow that

you're he's doing what they allow,

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: 00:20:16

okay, because they feel that he

has their best interests at heart.

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: 00:20:21

Right.

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: 00:20:21

And for whatever reason, so

you're 100, but buddy, we're

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: 00:20:25

way past the decorum part.

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: 00:20:27

Okay, way past that.

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: 00:20:29

Okay.

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: 00:20:30

And so unfortunately we are where we

are as a society and it's really and

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: 00:20:35

look and some people all you guys are

just know our political affiliation.

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That's number one.

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: 00:20:40

Okay.

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: 00:20:41

And number two, we're

calling it like we call it.

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: 00:20:43

We call it like we see it.

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: 00:20:45

All right, and you don't have to belong

to a certain platform to see that

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: 00:20:49

right is right and wrong is wrong.

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: 00:20:52

All right, that doesn't

even matter, right?

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: 00:20:53

What matters is, is the right thing,

the way you hold yourself as a person,

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as the character that you bring.

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: 00:21:02

Okay, especially to your point

when you're running for the

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highest off office on the planet.

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: 00:21:09

Okay, and we can say the planet

because here at the end of the day,

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I remember when I was in Europe.

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: 00:21:14

And the people in, in, and, and, um,

and, um, and, uh, the Netherlands

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: 00:21:18

and stuff, they were telling me more

about our politics than I was like,

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: 00:21:22

wow, how do you, why do you guys

know more about the U S politics?

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: 00:21:26

You know what they said, Tony,

because the U S leads the world.

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: 00:21:30

Okay.

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: 00:21:30

And what you guys say is.

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: 00:21:32

And we all have to deal with, okay,

so at the end of the day, those

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: 00:21:36

things to your point do matter.

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: 00:21:40

Chris P. Reed: Well, let me say,

and I'm not going with anything

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: 00:21:42

that's outside of precedent.

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: 00:21:43

Let me, let me kind of

shift it to law enforcement.

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: 00:21:46

In 2000, there was a

gentleman named Robert Jordan.

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: 00:21:49

And let me just give

you the quick and dirty.

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: 00:21:51

He applied to be a police officer.

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: 00:21:53

And end up being rejected from

being able to join the academy.

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: 00:21:57

And the reason why they openly

rejected him was because they said

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: 00:22:00

his test scores were too high.

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: 00:22:02

So he took this all the way to the 2nd U.

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: 00:22:04

S.

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: 00:22:04

circuit court of appeals in New York City.

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: 00:22:07

And it was upheld that

it wasn't discriminatory.

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: 00:22:09

Not to hire him, because his

test scores are too high and

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: 00:22:12

the rationale behind it was.

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: 00:22:14

He would end up getting bored at

the job because he was too smart.

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: 00:22:18

So this is something that's

in the laws, in the books that

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: 00:22:21

they are testing for things.

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: 00:22:23

And if that test should be applicable to

the job description, then a psychological

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: 00:22:28

evaluation, whether it be your bias,

your, your rage, um, you know, EQ.

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: 00:22:36

Your, you know, emotional intelligence,

all of that should be applied to jobs

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: 00:22:39

that are important like that, where

people's lives, you said it earlier,

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: 00:22:43

people's lives hang in the balance.

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: 00:22:45

And when you have someone, and we've

had so many instances where police

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: 00:22:48

officers have shown up and been, um.

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: 00:22:52

Unhinged term you use earlier

unhinged at the worst times.

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: 00:22:57

When it comes to especially black

and brown folks, it's because I feel

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: 00:23:02

there should have been more strict.

507

: 00:23:04

Testing upfront or evaluations

periodically to see because

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: 00:23:08

they are stressful jobs.

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: 00:23:09

Like you said, previously, we have

friends and family that are in law

510

: 00:23:12

enforcement that are in military

service, things of that nature.

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: 00:23:15

But when you put these people on

the streets and engage with the

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: 00:23:19

public as such a high regard, there

has to be responsibilities to make

513

: 00:23:23

sure that you're putting the right

people in the roles and you're making

514

: 00:23:27

sure you're checking in on them.

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: 00:23:29

Not just, hey, how you doing, but

going and talking to somebody and them

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: 00:23:33

signing off because the 1 thing that

hasn't happened to any of these trials.

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: 00:23:37

Have I heard that in his last conversation

with the department psychologist?

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: 00:23:42

He came out clean,

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: 00:23:43

Tony Tidbit: right?

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: 00:23:44

Chris P. Reed: You know, you don't

hear about and I understand hippo laws

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: 00:23:46

and all this other stuff, but damn,

the stakes are too high to put Rambo.

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: 00:23:51

Yosemite Sam, rootin this, tootin this

out there on the street with my kids, man.

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: 00:23:56

Tony Tidbit: No, you're a

hundred percent correct, buddy.

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: 00:23:58

And, and I, you know, I wish there was

a, um, you know, I, I wish there was a

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: 00:24:04

bipartisan, uh, department, you know,

department of mental fitness for, you

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: 00:24:10

know, certain roles that people would have

to, you know, it's like the NFL, right?

527

: 00:24:15

You know, with the NFL football, back in

the day, the doctors work for the team.

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: 00:24:21

Okay.

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: 00:24:22

So you may, Chris, and you played

football in college, right?

530

: 00:24:25

You may have pulled your hamstring, right?

531

: 00:24:27

Which could have been really, really bad.

532

: 00:24:29

And then the team doctor looks at

you and says, nah, he's alright.

533

: 00:24:33

Okay.

534

: 00:24:33

And then you go out and pull

your hamstring off the bone.

535

: 00:24:36

Right?

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: 00:24:37

And so the doctor, Uh, interest wasn't

really about the, the, the player.

537

: 00:24:42

It was about the team, making

sure that the player could play.

538

: 00:24:46

So the team could keep making

money, have a chance to win.

539

: 00:24:48

Right.

540

: 00:24:49

So if you're going to have this type

of system, it has to be by, it has to

541

: 00:24:53

be objective, it has to be separate.

542

: 00:24:55

Right.

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: 00:24:56

Where it's not the president's

doctor saying he's okay.

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: 00:25:00

All right.

545

: 00:25:01

Or the Secretary of State

doctor saying she's okay.

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: 00:25:04

Okay.

547

: 00:25:05

It's got to be a separate entity that

they deal with on a yearly basis.

548

: 00:25:11

And then they give the green

light and they're not connected

549

: 00:25:13

from a political standpoint.

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: 00:25:16

And I think that, I think that should

be in almost any, like you said, major,

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: 00:25:20

uh, position in walk, on walk of life.

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: 00:25:23

Chris P. Reed: Because it adds to

accountability because if I signed

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: 00:25:25

off on you and then it's determined

that, Hey, a lot of behavior, a lot of

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: 00:25:30

instances, a lot of opportunities where

this person didn't act according to the

555

: 00:25:34

role came up, I need to explain myself.

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: 00:25:38

I then as a psychologist, the

psychiatrist have to explain why I

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: 00:25:41

saw something different and why I

checked the box to say, You're fit

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: 00:25:44

to get back on the street when police

officers are involved in shootings.

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: 00:25:48

They have to go to a mandatory

Uh, assessment before they can get

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: 00:25:51

out of the desk from behind the

desk, like these things are there.

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: 00:25:55

It's not farfetched, but I believe

these things should happen more

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: 00:25:58

up front instead of us being

thirsty to fill roles and quotas.

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: 00:26:03

And man, we, you know, Sam, what's

you that's what's going on in some of

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: 00:26:07

these roles where people getting badges

and guns and all this other stuff.

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: 00:26:10

And in some of these roles where you

have people sitting behind benches,

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: 00:26:13

that when you look at the track record,

when this person comes in front of

567

: 00:26:17

you, It always goes this way, right?

568

: 00:26:19

And for whatever reason, when

this person comes in front of you,

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: 00:26:22

it goes a different way, right?

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: 00:26:24

That's telling,

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: 00:26:25

Tony Tidbit: right?

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: 00:26:25

Chris P. Reed: There

should be investigation.

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: 00:26:26

There should be, like you said,

uh, uh, non bias party, right?

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: 00:26:31

That's able to assess these things

and make sure because if we're not

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: 00:26:35

as a nation being fair, being just.

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: 00:26:39

And being, uh, established in

the way in which the forefathers,

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: 00:26:42

I think really meant it to be.

578

: 00:26:44

Now they wouldn't talk about us.

579

: 00:26:45

We're not going to get into that on

this episode, but they wanted it to be

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: 00:26:48

fair and equitable in the regard of,

for a society to run appropriately,

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: 00:26:52

you have to have checks and balances.

582

: 00:26:54

And we are so adverse to being

checked or told anything.

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: 00:26:58

If we have a certain moniker of power.

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: 00:27:00

Tony Tidbit: Exactly, buddy.

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: 00:27:01

But let, let, let's, let's, let's

take that to the next one, right?

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: 00:27:03

Because you talked about,

you know, a police officer.

587

: 00:27:07

Um, and being able to, um, uh,

have these type of evaluations

588

: 00:27:12

to make sure that they are safe

mentally to go out and do the job.

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: 00:27:17

So one of the other things that

happened while we were away

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: 00:27:20

was the song, Sonya Massey.

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: 00:27:22

Uh, murder, but in Chicago,

uh, outside of Chicago,

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: 00:27:26

Chris P. Reed: Springfield,

Springfield, Springfield,

593

: 00:27:27

Tony Tidbit: Illinois,

outside Chicago, right.

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: 00:27:29

And, uh, and what happened to her?

595

: 00:27:31

So if anybody's been sleeping under

a rock and don't know anything

596

: 00:27:34

about this story, let's play the

clip in terms of what happened.

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: 00:27:38

News Reporter: For body camera

video just released of the moment,

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: 00:27:42

a sheriff's deputy shot and killed

a woman in central Illinois.

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: 00:27:46

Well, Jim and Marie, this police

encounter turns deadly in just seconds.

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: 00:27:49

And we need to warn viewers,

the body camera footage is

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: 00:27:51

graphic, but not right away.

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: 00:27:53

The officers who were called to

her home spent several minutes with

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: 00:27:56

her gathering information about

the 9 1 calls she initially placed.

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: 00:28:00

The conversation appears to be

wrapping up about a minute later.

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: 00:28:04

Is there anything else I can do for you?

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: 00:28:06

They notice the stove is on.

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: 00:28:08

Massey goes over to the pot of

water, and things take a fatal turn.

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: 00:28:12

Sonya Massey: Oh,

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: 00:28:15

I would rebuke you in the name of Jesus.

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: 00:28:17

You better not, I'll shoot you in the face

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: 00:28:19

News Reporter: Deputy Grayson's

body camera shows his vantage

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: 00:28:21

point as he raises his weapon.

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: 00:28:23

Massey places the pot down, puts

her hands in the air, and ducks.

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: 00:28:27

Grayson shoots.

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: 00:28:29

It may have been a little unclear to

see, so Massey said something about,

616

: 00:28:33

I rebuke you in the name of Jesus, and

the deputy said something about, You

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: 00:28:36

better not, I will shoot you in the face.

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: 00:28:40

Chris P. Reed: So, when we talk about

hitting close to home, this occurred less

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: 00:28:44

than 50 minutes from where I grew up.

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: 00:28:46

In central Illinois, and, um, so it

spread pretty quickly and came back

621

: 00:28:50

around and deputy Grayson, former deputy

Grayson, um, this is something I can't

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: 00:28:56

imagine how these words turned into those

actions with a docile, timid, small,

623

: 00:29:02

you could see this woman in her frame.

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: 00:29:05

You could see the makeup of the situation.

625

: 00:29:07

In fact, she was instructed to go and

do something with the pot on the stove.

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: 00:29:11

There was no opportunity for a fire to

break out or anything this escalated and

627

: 00:29:16

went to a place that I can't imagine how

it's going to be defensible or defended or

628

: 00:29:22

expressed or explained by the police union

or whomever has to defend this, because

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: 00:29:27

this is indefensible, but it goes back to

something we've talked about in the past.

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: 00:29:31

Tony, what do we tell ourselves?

631

: 00:29:34

Our family, our children, if not to

act in the way in which she acted.

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: 00:29:39

To go down to the ground, like

all the instructions that police

633

: 00:29:42

usually give is what down to the

ground, hands up, blah, blah, blah.

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: 00:29:45

And then got shot in the face in her home.

635

: 00:29:48

There's something called

the castle doctrine.

636

: 00:29:50

And basically it gives you the right

to, it used to be life, liberty, and

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: 00:29:54

property in the original declaration.

638

: 00:29:56

And now it's life, liberty,

and produce sort of happiness.

639

: 00:29:59

But that property thing is very

important to property owners.

640

: 00:30:02

So when you're in your home, you

have a right to defend your castle

641

: 00:30:05

and maintain your sanctuary.

642

: 00:30:08

She was in her sanctuary

and this occurred.

643

: 00:30:11

And thank God for cell

phones and body cams.

644

: 00:30:14

Because I don't know how this could have

played out if not for the video imagery.

645

: 00:30:19

Tony Tidbit: Well, so number one, we,

we knew, we know how it played out.

646

: 00:30:22

Okay.

647

: 00:30:23

They hid it until the video came out.

648

: 00:30:25

Okay.

649

: 00:30:26

They said that she, um, they didn't

even report it correctly, but let's

650

: 00:30:30

back up because there's a few things

you said and in the video that everybody

651

: 00:30:34

saw, and if you're listening online,

Please go to our website to watch

652

: 00:30:38

the video, um, if you haven't, which

this has been all over the place.

653

: 00:30:42

So I would imagine you haven't seen

it, but you know, some people don't

654

: 00:30:44

pay attention to these things.

655

: 00:30:47

Um, let's back up.

656

: 00:30:49

She called the police because

there was an intruder.

657

: 00:30:52

She believed there was an intruder.

658

: 00:30:55

The police came, they looked

around, and they saw one of the

659

: 00:31:00

cars that's in front of her house or

in the driveway, I can't remember.

660

: 00:31:04

The window, the side, the

passenger window was smashed.

661

: 00:31:08

So evidently there was somebody, okay?

662

: 00:31:10

So they come in, they said, Hey!

663

: 00:31:13

You know, you called, we're checking,

we walked all the way around, we looked

664

: 00:31:16

at things, we didn't see anything,

you know, and she said, yeah, I heard

665

: 00:31:19

something, she said, can I come in?

666

: 00:31:21

Yeah, come in.

667

: 00:31:22

And then they were like,

okay, blah, blah, blah.

668

: 00:31:24

Hey, can you give us your driver's

license so we can make the report?

669

: 00:31:28

We need your ID.

670

: 00:31:30

They were going just friendly banter

and she said, Oh, I'm trying to see,

671

: 00:31:34

I can't look, I'm looking forward.

672

: 00:31:36

And then one day, one of the officers

say, Hey, why don't you look right there?

673

: 00:31:38

She's looking in her purse.

674

: 00:31:40

And then all of a sudden she

said, Oh, I left the stove on.

675

: 00:31:44

Okay.

676

: 00:31:44

And he was like, well, let's

definitely turn the stove off.

677

: 00:31:46

We don't want to burn up in here.

678

: 00:31:47

And they were laughing.

679

: 00:31:49

Okay.

680

: 00:31:50

And then she goes over.

681

: 00:31:52

Right.

682

: 00:31:52

To turn the stove off.

683

: 00:31:54

And then she says, I rebuke

you in the name of Jesus.

684

: 00:31:57

And then this dude loses his mind.

685

: 00:31:59

And going back to what you were

saying earlier about psychologically,

686

: 00:32:02

psychological competency.

687

: 00:32:05

Okay.

688

: 00:32:05

Did it seem like he was competent

because a woman, a small frail

689

: 00:32:11

woman, and look, she made her family

says she had some mental issues.

690

: 00:32:14

Okay.

691

: 00:32:15

So let's be fair.

692

: 00:32:16

But the bottom line is for him to go off.

693

: 00:32:20

And then if you look at the video.

694

: 00:32:22

She had the pot of water and he said,

if you do that, she put the pot down

695

: 00:32:27

and then said, I'm sorry, and put

her hands up and then duck down.

696

: 00:32:31

What did he do?

697

: 00:32:32

He moved over to the side to get a better

shot and shot her three times in the face.

698

: 00:32:39

And then when his partner says, Oh,

I'm going to get the first aid kit.

699

: 00:32:44

What did he say?

700

: 00:32:45

Nah, no need for that.

701

: 00:32:47

It was a headshot.

702

: 00:32:47

She's gone,

703

: 00:32:48

Chris P. Reed: right?

704

: 00:32:49

Tony Tidbit: I wasn't gonna let her

throw a f ing pot of water in my face.

705

: 00:32:52

That's

706

: 00:32:52

Chris P. Reed: right.

707

: 00:32:53

Tony Tidbit: So where is

the protect and serve?

708

: 00:32:56

Where is that?

709

: 00:32:57

Where is it?

710

: 00:32:58

Where's the humanity?

711

: 00:33:00

Okay.

712

: 00:33:01

There's a million things

that this guy could have did.

713

: 00:33:05

All right.

714

: 00:33:06

He didn't deescalate.

715

: 00:33:06

He escalated over and, and

here's the kicker, man.

716

: 00:33:11

And let's go back to that.

717

: 00:33:13

That, uh, psychology thing.

718

: 00:33:16

He, she said, I rebuke

you in the name of Jesus.

719

: 00:33:20

Jesus.

720

: 00:33:21

All right.

721

: 00:33:21

Now look.

722

: 00:33:23

I grew up in the church.

723

: 00:33:25

Okay.

724

: 00:33:26

And I'll be honest with you.

725

: 00:33:29

What I've learned when somebody says that

and somebody goes off, that means that

726

: 00:33:35

they already had, you know, evil spirit.

727

: 00:33:38

They already evil for

them to jump like that.

728

: 00:33:42

They're evil.

729

: 00:33:43

They're evil, buddy.

730

: 00:33:44

Because anybody, how would

that make you pull your weapon?

731

: 00:33:50

And said, what?

732

: 00:33:51

I'll shoot you in the face by saying that.

733

: 00:33:55

Come on, man.

734

: 00:33:57

So, and then we talk about it.

735

: 00:34:00

And you spoke a little bit.

736

: 00:34:01

You and I chatted while I was

gone a little bit about this.

737

: 00:34:03

And then you wanted you chat a little

bit about at least things have gotten

738

: 00:34:07

better, which in this situation,

when you look at it, like how.

739

: 00:34:11

You spoke a little bit in

terms of the accountability.

740

: 00:34:14

You want to talk a little bit about that?

741

: 00:34:15

How I do the accountability

742

: 00:34:17

Chris P. Reed: to tie into where

we're, where we're transitioning from.

743

: 00:34:22

We talked about her history and to be

transparent in her, uh, record of mental

744

: 00:34:26

health or whatever the case would be.

745

: 00:34:28

He also happened to have a

history of excessive behavior.

746

: 00:34:32

In different police forces to

which he had been fired from,

747

: 00:34:35

Tony Tidbit: was it three times?

748

: 00:34:36

I think it was and

749

: 00:34:38

Chris P. Reed: they had released

audio of conversations where, uh,

750

: 00:34:40

uh, his former superior said, listen,

you can't keep your liability.

751

: 00:34:47

You're a liability in your actions

as a law enforcement officer.

752

: 00:34:52

Somebody who's in one of these positions

we talked about where you shouldn't

753

: 00:34:56

be this way or present this way.

754

: 00:34:59

We know better and we can't have you

here because you mean us no good.

755

: 00:35:03

And then he could just go get another

job doing this somewhere else that

756

: 00:35:08

there should be a record that travels

kind of like with school, right?

757

: 00:35:11

There should be transcripts that

758

: 00:35:12

Tony Tidbit: follow this

759

: 00:35:13

Chris P. Reed: dude.

760

: 00:35:14

Tony Tidbit: But to your point earlier,

man, you said it when we were talking

761

: 00:35:18

about, you know, the president is not,

um, number one, nobody's so you can, it's

762

: 00:35:25

like this, man, you get fired from a job.

763

: 00:35:28

Okay, legally, they're not, if you

come up with some type of agreement,

764

: 00:35:32

legally, they're not supposed to say

nothing about why they fired you.

765

: 00:35:37

Okay.

766

: 00:35:37

And so you can go and get another job

somewhere else and be, you know, uh, not

767

: 00:35:42

a great performer, the whole nine yards.

768

: 00:35:45

When it comes to, and going

back to your earlier point, when

769

: 00:35:48

it comes to these positions,

okay, that where is the records?

770

: 00:35:54

Are the records being shared?

771

: 00:35:56

Okay.

772

: 00:35:57

About.

773

: 00:35:58

This person's background, who's

coming to be a police officer in your

774

: 00:36:02

force, who's coming to engage with

the community in your area, right?

775

: 00:36:08

Where's the checks and balances

to make sure that this person

776

: 00:36:12

that you're going to hire.

777

: 00:36:14

Not if physically, uh, fits the

bill mentally fits the bill, because

778

: 00:36:20

evidently he didn't that's the issue.

779

: 00:36:23

That's the major issue.

780

: 00:36:25

This person didn't.

781

: 00:36:27

All right.

782

: 00:36:27

And you said something earlier in our

1st segment, but I want to go back to it.

783

: 00:36:33

You said, and I don't I'm paraphrasing.

784

: 00:36:36

You said, hey, we can't

be trying to set quotas.

785

: 00:36:39

All right, to be.

786

: 00:36:40

And so right now in a lot of

the police departments, because

787

: 00:36:44

there's not a lot of people that

signing up to be police officers.

788

: 00:36:48

So they're under the gun.

789

: 00:36:50

And I'm not going to say this

happened with the Springfield police.

790

: 00:36:54

I don't know, but I know a lot

of, a lot of places are having

791

: 00:36:57

a hard time hiring people.

792

: 00:36:59

So they taking chances on people

like this, that's just a fact.

793

: 00:37:03

Okay.

794

: 00:37:04

They're willing to look the other side.

795

: 00:37:06

Well, you know, when he shoot

nobody, he may have stomped them.

796

: 00:37:09

All right.

797

: 00:37:10

Or he may hit him a couple of times

with baton when they asked for a cookie.

798

: 00:37:13

All right.

799

: 00:37:14

Well, you know, he ain't shot nobody yet.

800

: 00:37:15

And we can, we can work that

we can train them out of that.

801

: 00:37:18

Right.

802

: 00:37:18

We can train them out of that.

803

: 00:37:19

And they hire these individuals.

804

: 00:37:22

And, and here's the, my last thing

that I want to hear your point.

805

: 00:37:25

You said the body cam.

806

: 00:37:28

Okay.

807

: 00:37:29

Now, buddy, they fired them.

808

: 00:37:33

They did all these things.

809

: 00:37:34

As soon as the body cam footage came up.

810

: 00:37:37

This was a few weeks earlier.

811

: 00:37:40

Okay.

812

: 00:37:41

And where was number one?

813

: 00:37:44

Where's the partner?

814

: 00:37:45

The partner was there.

815

: 00:37:47

Why didn't the partner say my partner

shot this lady in the face for no reason?

816

: 00:37:52

Where was that?

817

: 00:37:53

Okay.

818

: 00:37:54

There was a total cover up

until the video came out.

819

: 00:37:57

Then they fired him.

820

: 00:37:58

Okay.

821

: 00:37:59

That's the issue.

822

: 00:38:01

There's a million issues here,

but Wait, the partner was there.

823

: 00:38:04

He saw it.

824

: 00:38:06

Where did that go?

825

: 00:38:07

So until we have full account, so

if the video didn't come out, this

826

: 00:38:12

would have been a lady that nobody

would know what happened to her.

827

: 00:38:17

I think they told her family.

828

: 00:38:19

I can't remember exactly what it

was, but they told something that

829

: 00:38:22

she died some other way, right?

830

: 00:38:24

Oh, they said an intruder killed her.

831

: 00:38:26

I could be wrong, but I thought

that's what the narrative was, right?

832

: 00:38:29

When he shot it, where is

the, where was the partner?

833

: 00:38:32

Where's his story?

834

: 00:38:34

Why didn't he come out and

it should be breaking news.

835

: 00:38:37

A police partner, uh, uh, rats,

uh, him out and talked about

836

: 00:38:42

how he killed this, this woman.

837

: 00:38:46

Chris P. Reed: You know, another

way to put it is somebody

838

: 00:38:47

does the right thing, right?

839

: 00:38:48

And so he was raised, right?

840

: 00:38:50

His parents raised him, right.

841

: 00:38:51

And he stood up for what he believed

in, what he signed up for as a person

842

: 00:38:54

to protect and serve our interests.

843

: 00:38:56

The, the, the reality of it is

I'm conflicted, um, in multiple

844

: 00:39:00

ways, but definitely as a

black person, as a girl, dad.

845

: 00:39:03

So many different ways in the fact

that one of the previous arguments

846

: 00:39:07

that we've had on this platform

and that I've heard is, uh, the

847

: 00:39:11

person was put on administrative

leave, barring investigation.

848

: 00:39:14

Um, this was strung out and this person

got a chance to live late life and

849

: 00:39:17

exact a pension or retire, or they

had so many options that they didn't

850

: 00:39:22

afford the victim in the moment.

851

: 00:39:24

And for once this is, and, and, and

I might not be up on this stuff.

852

: 00:39:28

So please forgive me audience,

but for once, this is the

853

: 00:39:30

first time I've heard of.

854

: 00:39:32

Once the stuff came out, the person was

immediately fired, charged with first

855

: 00:39:37

degree, not manslaughter, not something

that could be bargained down or pled down.

856

: 00:39:42

Even George Floyd thing

wasn't first degree.

857

: 00:39:44

This is first degree homicide and

discharge of a weapon and some

858

: 00:39:50

other charges that hopefully they're

going to stick because that would

859

: 00:39:53

just be a horrible situation.

860

: 00:39:55

But in the idea of All the things

that we have been protesting for and

861

: 00:40:00

asking for, which is accountability

and the law to work both ways.

862

: 00:40:04

When they do something wrong,

they get arrested immediately.

863

: 00:40:07

No bond, no bail, no nothing

because of the heinous act.

864

: 00:40:11

That was transmitted against the victim

that all those things did happen.

865

: 00:40:15

Now, I understand the timing of it

because the guy didn't tell on him.

866

: 00:40:19

But if we go past that, when they

knew they did something, and then

867

: 00:40:22

I look up and in Chicago, they

protested and I'm thinking, what

868

: 00:40:25

are we protesting his behavior?

869

: 00:40:29

Like, what are we, if we're not

protesting the fact that you didn't

870

: 00:40:32

catch this beforehand, which is what

we're discussing today, correct.

871

: 00:40:37

The, the, the actions, all you can do as

a society is respond when things occur.

872

: 00:40:43

You can't, it ain't minority.

873

: 00:40:44

It ain't 1984, you know what I'm saying?

874

: 00:40:46

Where we do, uh, mental, you

know, uh, uh, uh, cognition, uh,

875

: 00:40:50

crimes and things of that nature.

876

: 00:40:51

We can't predict when somebody

gonna go left and yeah, pre cry.

877

: 00:40:55

Right, right.

878

: 00:40:56

It's not minority report, but once

it happened, I was proud of the

879

: 00:41:00

state of Illinois, I was proud

of Springfield to make sure that

880

: 00:41:03

this person was put behind bars.

881

: 00:41:06

And held accountable for what he did

to this woman's life and to her family.

882

: 00:41:10

Then when I saw the protest, I was

confused as the message that we're

883

: 00:41:14

actually transmitting from a protest

perspective, because, and I'm just going

884

: 00:41:18

to be very candid here on this platform.

885

: 00:41:20

White folks is like, what

is we supposed to do then?

886

: 00:41:24

Damn, do we dare, do we

do, damn, do we don't.

887

: 00:41:26

You gonna take to these

streets no matter what.

888

: 00:41:29

Tony Tidbit: So I didn't, to be

fair, and you're educating me on some

889

: 00:41:31

stuff that I haven't been privy to.

890

: 00:41:34

So I haven't seen the protest.

891

: 00:41:35

So what are they protesting about?

892

: 00:41:38

Chris P. Reed: So when they went to

Chicago, they were protesting the

893

: 00:41:40

police, this has happened again.

894

: 00:41:43

And we got to come to terms with the fact

that black and brown people are being

895

: 00:41:47

killed arbitrarily by police officer.

896

: 00:41:50

And we're calling them bad apples

when it occurs or rogue agents

897

: 00:41:55

or whatever the case may be.

898

: 00:41:56

But the reality of it is, everything that

the governmental bodies did after the fact

899

: 00:42:02

was actually in line with what we have

been asking for, which is do something.

900

: 00:42:06

Because before, you noticed, Tony, Them

cats was going on administrative leave.

901

: 00:42:10

You will see them on Instagram, you

know, taking this money and going on

902

: 00:42:13

vacation with their families, dropping

their kids off for school and shit.

903

: 00:42:16

Like it was crazy.

904

: 00:42:17

It was crazy.

905

: 00:42:18

If this person had a normal life and

was out on bond, not even a bond, they

906

: 00:42:22

wouldn't even indicted or arrested.

907

: 00:42:23

It was just like, we'll,

we'll see if we can prove that

908

: 00:42:26

what you saw is what you saw.

909

: 00:42:28

And this was a turn of events

where, Hey, you can't pull the

910

: 00:42:32

wool over our eyes anymore.

911

: 00:42:34

This happened and different than with,

um, the girl is in the Louisville.

912

: 00:42:38

I apologize that I can't recall

her name right off hand, but, uh,

913

: 00:42:41

Tony Tidbit: Oh, you're talking

about, uh, Breonna Taylor.

914

: 00:42:43

Chris P. Reed: Breonna Taylor, Breonna

Taylor, Breonna Taylor, it was, it

915

: 00:42:47

was, it was until proven beyond a

shadow of a doubt that they was in

916

: 00:42:50

the wrong, that something actually was

done at that, you know, so the time,

917

: 00:42:54

and you notice from the first 48, once

you get further away from the crime.

918

: 00:42:58

Memories and situations and evidence

starts to be tainted and change a lot.

919

: 00:43:02

Right?

920

: 00:43:03

And so the fact that this was handled

in such a swift manner, I applaud that.

921

: 00:43:07

I am one that will applaud that, but

I don't know what more we could do.

922

: 00:43:10

And I feel like protesting

might have sent a message.

923

: 00:43:13

A message to where no matter what

we go, we're going to have issues.

924

: 00:43:17

So here's

925

: 00:43:18

Tony Tidbit: the thing, bro.

926

: 00:43:18

And I, so number one, I

hear your point of view.

927

: 00:43:21

Um, and, and let me just say this.

928

: 00:43:25

I was on vacation and when I saw

it, I protested, I, I, I don't know

929

: 00:43:34

if you saw it or not, but I did

a quick little, uh, I spoke about

930

: 00:43:38

it and, and it made me feel like.

931

: 00:43:44

People, when we talk about

the police, they don't see

932

: 00:43:48

black people as people, buddy.

933

: 00:43:50

Chris P. Reed: That's correct.

934

: 00:43:50

They don't see us

935

: 00:43:51

Tony Tidbit: as human.

936

: 00:43:52

You shoot a lady in the

face three times, I'm sorry.

937

: 00:43:55

And I don't, and women, you

move over to get a better shot.

938

: 00:44:00

Okay.

939

: 00:44:01

A little woman who you, who you can

see that she's had some mental issues.

940

: 00:44:06

And, and you feel that that, so

that's the part that bugs me is

941

: 00:44:10

that they don't see us as full human

beings, because here's the thing.

942

: 00:44:16

This dude, yeah, he, and

again, he's got a record.

943

: 00:44:20

What other person, what white

person did he shoot in the face?

944

: 00:44:24

Why, what, what other?

945

: 00:44:25

So that, that's my issue is that.

946

: 00:44:28

You know, these things are still

happening and they only, they only

947

: 00:44:32

being exposed because of the video.

948

: 00:44:35

How many things are being, that's

happening on a daily basis around this

949

: 00:44:39

country with, with law enforcement and

people of color that don't, that you may

950

: 00:44:45

not get to murder, but don't get exposed.

951

: 00:44:48

All right.

952

: 00:44:48

I can tell you a quick

story about somebody.

953

: 00:44:52

I'm not going to say his name,

but he's been on this show.

954

: 00:44:55

And he's got a high level

position and he was in his office.

955

: 00:45:00

Okay, in the came in to get some paperwork

and the police officer came in and said,

956

: 00:45:05

get your hands up and blah, blah, blah.

957

: 00:45:08

And this dude and he was trying

to say, hey, I'm a professor here.

958

: 00:45:12

I'm this and I don't and

it was ready to shoot him.

959

: 00:45:16

And finally, the dude saw his I.

960

: 00:45:18

D.

961

: 00:45:19

That he was, he could have been dead

that you don't hear about that on T.

962

: 00:45:23

V.

963

: 00:45:23

He didn't go.

964

: 00:45:24

I mean, he went off and, and, and, and,

and the university, you know, they held

965

: 00:45:29

them accountable and blah, blah, blah.

966

: 00:45:31

But my point is That was body cam.

967

: 00:45:34

There was nobody, you know, we

ain't nobody was protesting him.

968

: 00:45:38

That's a story.

969

: 00:45:39

That's a story that

happened so many times.

970

: 00:45:43

Okay, that we don't even know about

this guy could have got killed

971

: 00:45:47

just being in his own office.

972

: 00:45:50

So, so I don't think I hear your point

and, and yeah, should we say, you know,

973

: 00:45:57

we give them credit for being holding us

accountable, but I'm going to be honest.

974

: 00:46:00

I don't want to get nobody.

975

: 00:46:01

No credit for something.

976

: 00:46:02

That's just cutting dry.

977

: 00:46:04

It's not right.

978

: 00:46:04

That you should be doing all the time.

979

: 00:46:06

I mean, you can't be, it wouldn't

even be that, you know, we, we at

980

: 00:46:10

that level now that we got to be

okay with them doing the right thing.

981

: 00:46:14

No, I, I just, and then

where's the partner?

982

: 00:46:18

See, this is where I go to, are

we talking about the right thing?

983

: 00:46:20

The right thing would have

been forget a body cam.

984

: 00:46:23

The partner came out, talked to eternal

affairs and said, you know what?

985

: 00:46:27

I can't live with this.

986

: 00:46:29

This is what he did.

987

: 00:46:30

Then, in my opinion, we're

moving in the right direction.

988

: 00:46:34

But had no, no body cam came out,

it would have been covered up.

989

: 00:46:38

That's it.

990

: 00:46:38

That's just a fact.

991

: 00:46:39

, it's hard, right?

992

: 00:46:40

Chris P. Reed: Hard because the

blue code, the, the, the brotherhood

993

: 00:46:43

code, the unwritten rules, all that

other stuff that they talk about.

994

: 00:46:46

But, but I'm telling you, Tony,

the theme still resonates here in

995

: 00:46:50

having a master's in psychology.

996

: 00:46:51

They make the test, they make

the test with enough questions

997

: 00:46:55

to where you can discern Yes.

998

: 00:46:57

Is this person Yes, yes.

999

: 00:46:58

Have a predisposition Yes.

: 1000

00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,870

For this type of reaction?

: 1001

00:47:01,870 --> 00:47:02,020

Yes.

: 1002

00:47:02,050 --> 00:47:04,540

Have a predisposition for

the, they make the test.

: 1003

00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:06,970

We have to invest in the test upfront.

: 1004

00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:10,080

Because the cost is too

great to us on the back end.

: 1005

00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:10,500

No,

: 1006

00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:12,570

Tony Tidbit: and you're

100 percent right, buddy.

: 1007

00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:14,320

You're 100 percent right.

: 1008

00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:15,640

Here's the thing, though.

: 1009

00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:17,980

We're running out of time.

: 1010

00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,010

Hey, we do, we do.

: 1011

00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:22,790

You know what I'm saying?

: 1012

00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:26,019

Because we got, we got a few other

things that we got to get into,

: 1013

00:47:26,019 --> 00:47:27,200

but we ain't got time to do them.

: 1014

00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:28,610

All right.

: 1015

00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,940

But here's the thing, though, my brother.

: 1016

00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:37,550

You know, um, You know, and, and I,

I don't want to diminish the point

: 1017

00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:42,570

that you made, because to be fair,

we've seen it where they made excuses.

: 1018

00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:44,680

And again, going back to

where we started, right?

: 1019

00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:47,140

They made that, you

know, they made excuses.

: 1020

00:47:47,249 --> 00:47:50,350

Well, he was in the, the, the

hot water was 200 degrees.

: 1021

00:47:51,009 --> 00:47:53,380

So if it fell on him, he

would have disintegrated.

: 1022

00:47:53,410 --> 00:47:53,780

Right?

: 1023

00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:58,100

So he, I know, you know, they

make these excuses, right?

: 1024

00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,560

This time they didn't, I, I just,

I've seen, we've seen so many things

: 1025

00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,820

that's been cut and dry and they

still like, well, you know what,

: 1026

00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:10,840

they're going to get off, right?

: 1027

00:48:11,090 --> 00:48:14,550

And so it just, it just makes

me mad because you know what?

: 1028

00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:17,040

Sonya Massey could have been my mother.

: 1029

00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:18,320

Chris P. Reed: That's right.

: 1030

00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:18,720

Tony Tidbit: Okay.

: 1031

00:48:18,730 --> 00:48:21,670

And I'm not saying that

just to use it as a symbol.

: 1032

00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,840

My mother and she got what we talked

about once an adult, twice a child.

: 1033

00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,340

My mother, when she got older,

she didn't have all her faculties.

: 1034

00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,020

She wasn't 100 percent there all the time.

: 1035

00:48:32,299 --> 00:48:36,030

She could have got mad if the person

didn't go get there quick enough

: 1036

00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:39,930

and say something and this and that

and then she gets shot in the face.

: 1037

00:48:41,145 --> 00:48:42,315

Three times.

: 1038

00:48:43,205 --> 00:48:47,475

All right, that buddy, that's where

we have to, that's where I, I get

: 1039

00:48:47,475 --> 00:48:53,175

upset because when I talk about

humanity, I don't care how off you

: 1040

00:48:53,175 --> 00:48:58,735

are, this is another human being in

front of you and you, you're there

: 1041

00:48:59,025 --> 00:49:04,125

to, she called you to help her.

: 1042

00:49:05,530 --> 00:49:09,940

And that got all, that

was lost, became lost.

: 1043

00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:15,030

So, you know, it, that, that story

really, it is still, it still bugs me.

: 1044

00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:16,620

Chris P. Reed: It does.

: 1045

00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:19,429

But I think Tony, and

I'm big on preaching.

: 1046

00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:21,070

We have to learn to take wins.

: 1047

00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,080

Um, and the idea of this is the first

opportunity I'll get in my lifetime

: 1048

00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,160

to see the system work in the intended

way that it was supposed to, if this

: 1049

00:49:32,190 --> 00:49:35,995

goes through and he actually gets

convicted and all of the, The things

: 1050

00:49:36,005 --> 00:49:40,595

that are before him actually come to

pass because I'm old enough to be around

: 1051

00:49:40,595 --> 00:49:42,325

and remember when Rodney King happened.

: 1052

00:49:42,805 --> 00:49:48,245

And so think about how many years ago

that was, and I've never, I've never seen

: 1053

00:49:48,765 --> 00:49:51,714

a situation where they acted like this.

: 1054

00:49:51,964 --> 00:49:55,095

And I've seen many situations

where we were brutalized.

: 1055

00:49:55,325 --> 00:49:57,575

I've seen many situations

where we were killed.

: 1056

00:49:57,775 --> 00:50:00,135

I've seen many situations where

they accidentally didn't go for the

: 1057

00:50:00,135 --> 00:50:02,424

taser and went for the gun instead.

: 1058

00:50:03,065 --> 00:50:04,795

And other cops was right there.

: 1059

00:50:04,945 --> 00:50:08,145

Not just one, a multitude

of cops I've seen.

: 1060

00:50:08,175 --> 00:50:10,325

And to the credit of.

: 1061

00:50:10,695 --> 00:50:14,225

Of the situation, I've seen Memphis

that we talked about with Tyree

: 1062

00:50:14,225 --> 00:50:19,355

Nichols, where black officers allow

for each other to act with impunity

: 1063

00:50:19,504 --> 00:50:20,835

and do these types of things.

: 1064

00:50:20,855 --> 00:50:24,484

And didn't nobody came and told

I've seen this and this is the

: 1065

00:50:24,485 --> 00:50:26,615

1st time action has been taken.

: 1066

00:50:27,385 --> 00:50:32,395

As soon as the information was available,

and I'm just going to take this small

: 1067

00:50:32,395 --> 00:50:37,835

win and hope that it cascades into a

new policy going forward that it's okay.

: 1068

00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:39,260

To do the right thing.

: 1069

00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:40,300

Judicial system.

: 1070

00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:42,180

It's okay to do the right thing.

: 1071

00:50:42,210 --> 00:50:44,390

Police law enforcement

system, legal system.

: 1072

00:50:44,715 --> 00:50:47,735

Because up until now, I

don't know if it works,

: 1073

00:50:47,785 --> 00:50:48,005

Tony Tidbit: right?

: 1074

00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:50,605

Chris P. Reed: No example

before me has shown me if

: 1075

00:50:50,605 --> 00:50:51,825

police can be held accountable.

: 1076

00:50:51,855 --> 00:50:52,665

Tony Tidbit: Right, right.

: 1077

00:50:52,775 --> 00:50:56,365

So what we're going to do,

because I'm going to use what

: 1078

00:50:56,365 --> 00:50:57,594

you just got finished saying.

: 1079

00:50:57,825 --> 00:51:00,924

And I'm, I'm, I'm talking to

the third person when you said,

: 1080

00:51:01,205 --> 00:51:03,744

I've seen, I've seen, I've seen.

: 1081

00:51:03,805 --> 00:51:03,985

Yeah.

: 1082

00:51:03,994 --> 00:51:04,394

Okay.

: 1083

00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:06,115

So we're going to play this clip.

: 1084

00:51:06,835 --> 00:51:11,425

Um, so you can see, so everybody

can see about how this white woman

: 1085

00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:14,464

walks in to the police station.

: 1086

00:51:15,025 --> 00:51:17,245

In Bristol, Connecticut with a gun.

: 1087

00:51:18,185 --> 00:51:18,645

Okay.

: 1088

00:51:18,715 --> 00:51:23,755

With a gun and start shooting

in the police station with a gun

: 1089

00:51:24,355 --> 00:51:26,635

and let's see how they treat her.

: 1090

00:51:26,885 --> 00:51:27,385

All right.

: 1091

00:51:27,965 --> 00:51:28,345

All right.

: 1092

00:51:28,564 --> 00:51:29,175

Let's watch it.

: 1093

00:51:29,895 --> 00:51:33,105

News Reporter: A woman was caught

on camera firing a gun inside

: 1094

00:51:33,105 --> 00:51:34,815

a Connecticut police station.

: 1095

00:51:35,304 --> 00:51:39,385

Surveillance video shows a 51 year

old woman entering the lobby of the

: 1096

00:51:39,385 --> 00:51:43,475

Bristol police department appearing

to have a gun aimed at her head.

: 1097

00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:48,220

She knocks on the front desk window with

her left hand, with a gun in her right.

: 1098

00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,400

After banging on the window several times,

the woman shoots into a door, then towards

: 1099

00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,370

the front desk, according to police.

: 1100

00:51:55,889 --> 00:51:58,640

The bullet resistant

glass did not shatter.

: 1101

00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:03,220

After firing, she removed her

jacket and took a seat in the lobby.

: 1102

00:52:03,545 --> 00:52:07,705

More shots were fired towards a door

where authorities say police officers

: 1103

00:52:07,705 --> 00:52:09,535

were attempting to enter the lobby.

: 1104

00:52:10,275 --> 00:52:12,995

Officers used a taser

to subdue the shooter.

: 1105

00:52:15,595 --> 00:52:19,015

The shooter was taken to the

hospital for evaluation and was

: 1106

00:52:19,045 --> 00:52:20,704

later released to authorities.

: 1107

00:52:20,884 --> 00:52:24,185

She was charged with several

offenses, including attempted

: 1108

00:52:24,185 --> 00:52:25,925

murder with special circumstances.

: 1109

00:52:26,795 --> 00:52:27,215

So what's

: 1110

00:52:27,215 --> 00:52:27,395

Tony Tidbit: your

: 1111

00:52:27,395 --> 00:52:27,915

News Reporter: thoughts on

: 1112

00:52:27,915 --> 00:52:28,185

Tony Tidbit: that?

: 1113

00:52:28,185 --> 00:52:28,545

My man,

: 1114

00:52:30,655 --> 00:52:33,145

Chris P. Reed: you know, is what back

to close your eyes, close your eyes.

: 1115

00:52:35,565 --> 00:52:38,035

I mean, they came out, she

had take off the jacket.

: 1116

00:52:38,044 --> 00:52:39,125

She got relaxed.

: 1117

00:52:39,315 --> 00:52:43,195

She was exercising her rights as

a citizen to do whatever she just

: 1118

00:52:43,195 --> 00:52:45,824

did to the fullest of its extent.

: 1119

00:52:46,315 --> 00:52:52,625

I mean, and the, the reaction of

the, when deescalate, that was a

: 1120

00:52:52,625 --> 00:52:55,805

shining example of the aptitude.

: 1121

00:52:56,215 --> 00:52:57,905

To not take it

: 1122

00:52:58,055 --> 00:52:58,825

Tony Tidbit: to the worst level.

: 1123

00:52:58,825 --> 00:53:01,335

They did everything that they

could not to kill this woman.

: 1124

00:53:01,705 --> 00:53:02,265

Okay.

: 1125

00:53:02,335 --> 00:53:02,805

And then what did they do?

: 1126

00:53:02,805 --> 00:53:04,415

They tased her.

: 1127

00:53:04,725 --> 00:53:05,015

Okay.

: 1128

00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:05,865

She got tased.

: 1129

00:53:05,975 --> 00:53:08,085

And then a few days later, where was she?

: 1130

00:53:08,785 --> 00:53:09,345

In court.

: 1131

00:53:10,425 --> 00:53:10,655

All right.

: 1132

00:53:10,965 --> 00:53:13,095

So, so they did everything.

: 1133

00:53:13,105 --> 00:53:15,625

And, and look, I applaud

them for doing that.

: 1134

00:53:15,875 --> 00:53:16,185

Right?

: 1135

00:53:16,185 --> 00:53:16,455

We do.

: 1136

00:53:16,495 --> 00:53:18,422

I'm not saying they

should have blasted her.

: 1137

00:53:18,422 --> 00:53:19,155

I'm not saying.

: 1138

00:53:19,265 --> 00:53:20,325

That's what you should do.

: 1139

00:53:20,345 --> 00:53:21,085

You try, try.

: 1140

00:53:21,245 --> 00:53:26,705

Every, uh, a mechanism in your power to

make sure that there's not a loss of life.

: 1141

00:53:27,115 --> 00:53:30,505

All right, but when it comes to

people call it that doesn't happen.

: 1142

00:53:30,714 --> 00:53:31,495

It just buddy.

: 1143

00:53:31,495 --> 00:53:31,825

Come on.

: 1144

00:53:31,844 --> 00:53:37,085

Let's be fair now So that's why I get

upset right when I see how they did

: 1145

00:53:37,085 --> 00:53:41,750

the right thing For this lady who was

going through some mental issues, okay?

: 1146

00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,620

She even told somebody at the bar she

was at, I'm going to shoot a police

: 1147

00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:46,330

station, and went right there and did it.

: 1148

00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:49,940

All right, banged on the window

the whole nine yards, right?

: 1149

00:53:50,110 --> 00:53:53,100

And then sat back, smoked

a cigarette, right?

: 1150

00:53:53,490 --> 00:53:55,209

After she shot a few times.

: 1151

00:53:55,339 --> 00:54:00,200

And they did everything under

their power to not kill her.

: 1152

00:54:00,610 --> 00:54:04,960

And so I applaud them for doing that,

but that should be the way that should

: 1153

00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:07,610

be standard operating procedure.

: 1154

00:54:08,330 --> 00:54:08,980

Okay.

: 1155

00:54:09,570 --> 00:54:10,890

With all people.

: 1156

00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:11,680

Right.

: 1157

00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,330

And that's why I get upset, my brother.

: 1158

00:54:15,850 --> 00:54:19,030

Chris P. Reed: And it's, it's, it's

unfair and unequal in so many instances,

: 1159

00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:24,870

but I do believe that there has

to be a universal, um, excitement.

: 1160

00:54:25,225 --> 00:54:30,575

When the system works the way in which

it was intended and as much as I hate

: 1161

00:54:30,585 --> 00:54:34,794

that I knew that that person had to when

I heard the story, I was like, oh, easy.

: 1162

00:54:34,815 --> 00:54:35,245

That's easy.

: 1163

00:54:35,245 --> 00:54:38,085

But I know what I know

exactly what happened here.

: 1164

00:54:38,085 --> 00:54:40,975

I don't I don't need to kind

of see it, you know, play out.

: 1165

00:54:41,005 --> 00:54:44,485

But but the reality of it was,

I like, like you said, I applaud

: 1166

00:54:44,495 --> 00:54:45,815

the officers that were involved.

: 1167

00:54:46,095 --> 00:54:49,045

I applaud the way in which they

were trained and them activating

: 1168

00:54:49,065 --> 00:54:50,355

the training in such a way.

: 1169

00:54:50,650 --> 00:54:54,750

But I applaud the opportunity to

deescalate and it being exacted to where

: 1170

00:54:54,750 --> 00:55:00,060

that woman and her children still have

her in the family today, because if

: 1171

00:55:00,060 --> 00:55:04,949

she, she absolutely posed a threat, they

didn't know if she had more than one

: 1172

00:55:04,949 --> 00:55:07,180

gun, they knew that shots were fired.

: 1173

00:55:07,330 --> 00:55:10,560

There was a discharge of firearm

of a public place in a, in a

: 1174

00:55:10,590 --> 00:55:12,460

precinct, all these other things.

: 1175

00:55:12,595 --> 00:55:14,035

It wasn't hot water.

: 1176

00:55:14,305 --> 00:55:15,655

Like when you juxtapose these things.

: 1177

00:55:15,655 --> 00:55:16,855

That's my point.

: 1178

00:55:16,855 --> 00:55:18,475

It's more re it wasn't hot water.

: 1179

00:55:18,475 --> 00:55:18,775

More re

: 1180

00:55:19,285 --> 00:55:23,285

Tony Tidbit: I mean, just way

more re that exactly Brother.

: 1181

00:55:23,825 --> 00:55:25,685

Look, we gonna have to leave it there.

: 1182

00:55:25,865 --> 00:55:26,465

Okay.

: 1183

00:55:26,525 --> 00:55:26,765

Oh yeah.

: 1184

00:55:26,855 --> 00:55:28,265

Um, and, and

: 1185

00:55:28,265 --> 00:55:29,915

Chris P. Reed: once again,

thank God for the video because

: 1186

00:55:29,915 --> 00:55:30,605

I wouldn't have believed it.

: 1187

00:55:30,785 --> 00:55:34,145

I wouldn't have believed story when you,

: 1188

00:55:34,145 --> 00:55:36,545

Tony Tidbit: ain't nobody come in,

no woman came in there shooting

: 1189

00:55:36,545 --> 00:55:39,095

a, a gun in a police station.

: 1190

00:55:39,095 --> 00:55:42,519

Left, left, left, breathing right, left,

left breathing, and then left breathing.

: 1191

00:55:42,625 --> 00:55:42,965

Right.

: 1192

00:55:43,005 --> 00:55:46,975

And then was in court a couple of days

later where she had a defense attorney,

: 1193

00:55:47,255 --> 00:55:51,444

you know, take it up for, well, you

know, she has three kids and, you

: 1194

00:55:51,445 --> 00:55:56,515

know, and she, one of the kids got down

syndrome and she's really stressed out.

: 1195

00:55:59,304 --> 00:55:59,855

All right.

: 1196

00:55:59,904 --> 00:56:03,535

So listen, we hope number one,

I want to thank my brother.

: 1197

00:56:03,790 --> 00:56:04,330

Chris P.

: 1198

00:56:04,330 --> 00:56:06,400

Reed the co host with the most.

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So we thank you for tuning into another

episode of A Black Executive Perspective

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Podcast with Chris Reed and myself

talk about BEP's insights on the latest

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events and headlines that happened in

the U S and we're going to continue

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to do this every couple of weeks.

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We're going to, you know, talk

about the things that's going on

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and give you our points of view.

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But now I think it's time for what?

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Tony's Tidbit.

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All right.

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And the tidbit today is, you

know, each event holds a lesson.

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Discussions aim to reveal these lessons.

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Foster a deeper understanding

to inspire action and awareness

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in our ever evolving world.

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And that's why we talk about these

things, because at the end of the

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day, we want to bring them to light.

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We want to learn from them.

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And then more importantly, hope,

hopefully we can see change and

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inspire some people to do the same.

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To make these things better and

these, this is why you need to

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continue to have these conversations

with your friends and family.

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And look, not everybody's

going to agree that is fine.

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Chris and I, as you can see here

disagreed on a couple of things, right?

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But guess what?

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It's all about discussion and what

we can learn from one another.

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So let's make sure that we do that.

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And then also we want to make sure that,

uh, we employ you to tune in to our

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weekly segment, need to know witness

singer, you know, don't miss this

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week's need to know segment with Dr.

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Nsenga Burton on A Black

Executive Perspective Podcast.

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This is where Dr.

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Burton dives into timely and crucial

topics, kind of like the one we did

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today, but she's so much deeper,

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so much more in depth to these things.

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And she shapes our community and world

with her perspective and her views.

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Tune in again, unique insights and deepen

your understanding of issues that matter.

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You don't want to miss it.

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Trust me.

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Exactly.

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You don't, because she's got

some really good stuff coming up

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this Thursday, so check it out.

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So again, I hope you enjoyed

our episode, BEP insights,

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navigating today's top headlines.

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Chris P. Reed: And then don't forget.

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Our call to action to

incorporate less L E S S.

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Make sure that wherever you can, you

learn, empathize, share, and stop.

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The L is for learn.

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Educate yourself on racial and cultural

nuances that you can apply to your

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life and help others around you.

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Tony Tidbit: Exactly, Chris.

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And the E stands for empathy.

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Once you've learned, now you

should be more empathetic to

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your brother and sister and other

people that fall within your path.

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And

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Chris P. Reed: then the

first S is for share.

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Share your insights.

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And enlighten others.

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Don't hide it.

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Divide it.

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Because these type of dialogues,

these type of conversations are the

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only way we can grow collectively.

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Tony Tidbit: And then the final S, and

this is something everybody can do.

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We want to stop.

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S stands for stop.

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To stop discrimination as

it comes into your path.

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So in other words, if grandma says

something at the Thanksgiving table

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that's inappropriate, you say,

grandma, we don't believe in that.

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And you stop it right

in there in your tracks.

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And by doing this, you're

going to help us build a more.

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Understanding and fair world.

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And guess what?

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We'll be able to see the

change that we all want to see.

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So remember less because less equals more.

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Don't forget to tune in to

the next episode of A Black

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Executive Perspective Podcast,

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Chris P. Reed: and also don't

forget to go to the website.

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And sign up for the newsletter.

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We have a lot of things

that are always coming out.

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You want to stay abreast of those things.

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Please leave your review, subscribe,

and wherever you're listening to

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the podcast, this will help us reach

you where you are and understand

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what you want to speak about.

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Tony Tidbit: And you can also follow

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on all our socials from LinkedIn

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at a black exec for my fabulous

co host with the most crispy read.

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For the lady behind the glass,

Noelle Miller, I'm Tony Tidbit.

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We talked about it.

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We love you and we're out.

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A Black Executive Perspective.